Know Face Man Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Promise me Ned! Ned keeping Jon's mom a secret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet-N-SourRobin Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Most dishonorable act? Catelyn saying "It Should Have Been You" to Jon. Her attitude towards Jon in general given the information she has is understandable, disappointing as it is. But that line is just pure, simple, unwarranted cruelty, and most of the time Catelyn is better than that. And I suppose that means I think Ned not admitting Jon's real parentage is the biggest lie. Ned's damn good reasons for telling that lie notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dacie Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Depending on the pov, Ned's (assumed) lie about Jon could be one of the worst lies of the series. Put yourself in King Bob's shoes: your BFF has played you for a fool for years, all the while committing high treason.And with regards to Dany and Irri, I don't think Irri has any concept of being able to say no, and therein lies the problem.Edit: beat to it on both points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Bran warging Hodor.Jon thinking badly about Tommen. Nymeria eating people. Gendry trying to abandon Weasel (twice).Arya laughing when the waif spoke CT wrongly. I know she killed a lot of people but still, this stands out...Ned following Robert's order to kill Lady. Cat killing Jinglebell.Penny trying to kill Tyrion - he was by no means responsible for her brother's murder.Sansa betraying her father to Cersei.Lord Manderly serving Fat Walda her relatives. Roose and Ramsay deserved it, but her... dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfellian Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Ned letting Jon Snow joined the NW without even telling him the reality he was going to find in Castle Black or anything about his parentage should R+L=J be true. He let a 14 year old boy commit for life to an organization without even bothering to let him know to what exactly he was committing himself to.Jon's baby swap. I don't believe he would have let Gilly's baby be hurt but he threatened her into becoming an unwilling participant by consenting to leave her baby behind much to her suffering.Sansa being a passive participant in LF's poisoning of sweet RobinDany...well there's a lot to choose from in her time in Slaver's Bay-.Mass murders, torture, crucifixions that I wouldn't know what to pick.Bran warging Hodor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 Ygritte putting an arrow in Jon's leg; they were making love the day before.Disagree, She was doing her duty.HOWEVER...Jon's deception of the wildlings, especially considering they're later 'conversion' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 Ned letting Jon Snow joined the NW without even telling him the reality he was going to find in Castle Black or anything about his parentage should R+L=J be true. He let a 14 year old boy commit for life to an organization without even bothering to let him know to what exactly he was committing himself to.Ned could see this as a protection of Jon.Ned could also have been in a self delusion that The Nightwatch was still honorable and full of good men. That was my impression at least.Bran warging HodorYes. Forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 Regarding my first post-Did Robb let Bolton know he was heading to act as a distraction/loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 UnCat executing Merrett Frey. He was bringing ransom for a captive, hanging him, while certainly being an act of justice by Westeros standards, was dishonorable, especially given that the BWB had already executed the Frey the ransom was for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 UnCat executing Merrett Frey. He was bringing ransom for a captive, hanging him, while certainly being an act of justice by Westeros standards, was dishonorable, especially given that the BWB had already executed the Frey the ransom was for.Don't count UnCat as Cat, so she's not a 'good' character in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptowngbv Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Sansa's lie about forgetting what happened between Joffrey and Arya/Mycah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 Sansa's lie about forgetting what happened between Joffrey and Arya/Mycah.I consider that dutiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddard of the house stark Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I consider that dutifulDutiful to the king? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolantero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Stannis burning the men who stayed faithful to the seven and his treatment of maester Cressen from the prologue of ACoK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfellian Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Ned could see this as a protection of Jon.Ned could also have been in a self delusion that The Nightwatch was still honorable and full of good men. That was my impression at least.I don't doubt Ned did it thinking it was probably for the best, but still, I don't buy that he wasn't aware of the reality of the NW. The deteriorating conditions of the NW and the fact that is used as a form of prison colony is not exactly a secret given that even a Southron like Tyrion was very aware of it. Ned's brother was first ranger and in AGOT he tells Cat how Benjen said the NW was declining and consisting of less than a thousand men so is clear he knew at least some of that and chose not to tell Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harald Hard-Ruler Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Selmy going over to the side of Robert after being on the losing side at the Battle of the Trident. The honorable thing would have been to ask to take the black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 Dutiful to the king?The whole royal family. The marriage pact her Father and Robert made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A bowl of brown Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Did Robb let Bolton know he was heading to act as a distraction/loss?I'm sure Bolton and the main nobles knew the aim was to prevent the Lannisters from knowing Riverrun was the main target. I don't think they were written off as a loss either, I think the idea was to offer battle to lure Tywin in and then withdraw without suffering too heavy losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGtargaryen Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Ned saying Jon is his son.Shae wasn't a "good" characterWell up until that point there was not much evidence stating that she was in fact "evil" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddard of the house stark Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The whole royal family. The marriage pact her Father and Robert made.It may be dutiful but it wasn't honorable.... Tywin bringing the bodies of Elia's children was dutiful to the king, but it wasn't honorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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