Melifeather Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Ugh.....yeah I know I'm being baited into a stupid argument here but here goes: The 'Identity' of the gate is still being discussed on this page, like I said I skipped pages 11-14 so I can only assume that since its still being discussed it has been discussed for 5 pages, I was responding to the specific piece of "evidence" that started the discussion of "who" the Black Gate is...to reiterate my opinion: Its just a Gate, there's obviously some consciousness inhabiting it but that doesn't mean it's the NK or even any individual, the weirnet is a complex multiconscious system which incorporates multiple poeple, trees, animals, yada yada....so the Gate doesn't have to be any individual.But yeah I totally should've checked with you to get approval on my topic choice before posting, how inconsiderate of me to ignore the King of Discussion Direction.....Did your feelings get hurt too? Me too, but I got over it. :grouphug:Are you thinking the Gate is like the weirwood faces carved into the trees? We haven't seen any of them talk yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 so the Gate doesn't have to be any individual.Of course not. Three Eyed Crow didn't need to be anyone we knew either. These stories keep popping up it ties the world together and makes it more interesting. So no, the gate does not have to be anyone in particular, or even a person, but it just might be.But yeah I totally should've checked with you to get approval on my topic choice before posting, how inconsiderate of me to ignore the King of Discussion Direction.....We're havin' fun in here. What is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 They think their greenseers are gods. They instruct Bran not to call back the dead, so they must understand that he probably has the power to do so, but to them its morally wrong.I'm not sure that they do. I thought that they reckoned everybody went into the earth and the trees and the rivers and the rocks which collectively became their gods, and the point of the greenseers was that they formed the link between the living and the dead/gods. There is reference to a belief that the children could talk to the dead, and this was how I read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 We haven't seen any of them talk yet.This did come up a while ago, the fact that they have mouths as well as eyes. I can't remember if it went anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 Are you thinking the Gate is like the weirwood faces carved into the trees? We haven't seen any of them talk yet.Apparently their eyes are open again, but no we haven't heard one speak. I think the point here was that when Bran first saw the gate he thought it was of weirwood because it looked just like one of the faces carved in the trees. In the light of what followed we can obviously take leave to doubt that it was really made of weirwood, but was actually something very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Wing Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I was responding to the specific piece of "evidence" that started the discussion of "who" the Black Gate is...to reiterate my opinion: Its just a Gate, there's obviously some consciousness inhabiting it but that doesn't mean it's the NK or even any individual, the weirnet is a complex multiconscious system which incorporates multiple poeple, trees, animals, yada yada....so the Gate doesn't have to be any individual.So? Just because you think it's just a gate we should all stop discussing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melifeather Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I think what Men in their cups say brought up an idea that I had never thought of before. I don't know if I quite agree that the Black Gate is akin to the carved faces, but I also don't think he's as old as most of you seem to think, or if he is old, he's been imprisoned with dark magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men in their cups say... Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 So? Just because you think it's just a gate we should all stop discussing it?Hahaha, Feathercrystal, this is exactly what I was talking about.....Little Wing, "MY OPINION: its just a gate" discuss all you like..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melifeather Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It does seem that some days the newer posters get cut off at the knees rather abruptly. I don't think they intend to be mean...they've just been discussing this so long that they're too invested in their ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Wing Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Nah, it's just these boards, you know. People feel the need to jump in a discussion and go - oh, you know I haven't read the whole discussion but sometimes a tree is just a tree (or whatever) - and think they've enlightened us silly folk discussing things they already judge unimportant. Why post then? Leave the people discuss what they want if you don't have anything substantial to add other than your opinion how it's useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I think it's racism. Hatin' on giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men in their cups say... Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Nah, it's just these boards, you know. People feel the need to jump in a discussion and go - oh, you know I haven't read the whole discussion but sometimes a tree is just a tree (or whatever) - and think they've enlightened us silly folk discussing things they already judge unimportant. Why post then? Leave the people discuss what they want if you don't have anything substantial to add other than your opinion how it's useless.Well I appreciate that you are backpedaling a bit. I've seen what you are talking about, people say "its just ____ so stop talking about it" and then what happens? People talk about it even more. You can't silence people on these forums, and that is a good thing.Edit: And just to reiterate I never said or meant to imply that people should stop talking about the Gate, if anything I was adding my opinion to the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well I appreciate that you are backpedaling a bit.That's not backpedaling. She's calling you out on being confrontational with out adding anything to the discussion.That's how I see it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Wing Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yes, and that is why I am also free to call you out on not substantially adding to the discussion :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men in their cups say... Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 being confrontational with out adding anything to the discussion.you would know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men in their cups say... Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yes, and that is why I am also free to call you out on not substantially adding to the discussion :)Well I thought the bit about Mel was pertinent, just because you dismiss someone's idea doesn't mean that they haven't added anything by expressing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Hey guys, we've got a troll, and its not me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Wing Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well I thought the bit about Mel was pertinent, just because you dismiss someone's idea doesn't mean that they haven't added anything by expressing it.Yes, you've added how a gate is just a gate. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men in their cups say... Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yeah, I figured this was gonna digress rather quickly. I'm out. Congrats, the censors win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yes, you've added how a gate is just a gate. Thank you.He did have a bit point out that we were a little bogged down in debating "who" the door was and less what the door is/could be.Everyone, deep breath...."Keep calm and be less snarky." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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