Jon's Queen Consort Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 How could they pay, they're both Liege Lords? Give them Winterfell and Stormsends, better that than thousands of people. They can build new houses.Why did the dynasty have to go?That is a joke? Give him WF and SE? Because this is how it works.You must get rid of all the weed what is inside and outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rise of Dorne Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Right and the attacker in this case was Aerys, you know the guy who murdered the Lord of the North. Or would the President of the US killing a state governor not be seen as an aggressive act? No... I do believe Robert and Ned invaded and attacked. If president murdered a governor he'd be arrested, Alabama wouldn't invade Washington d.c. Unless the governor was an insane mad man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wales338 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 So you are saying Ned and Robert are insane mad men? I believe the insane mad man would be the guy who burnt someone alive in his armour and then later attempted to burn down the biggest city in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rise of Dorne Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 That is a joke? Give him WF and SE? Because this is how it works. You must get rid of all the weed what is inside and outside.The faceless men, yeah give them winterfell and storms end. That's probably enough of a payment.So people are weeds now? That explains a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 It's also far better to kill a few dozen men at a wedding than thousands in a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 No... I do believe Robert and Ned invaded and attacked. If president murdered a governor he'd be arrested, Alabama wouldn't invade Washington d.c. Unless the governor was an insane mad man.Are you joking? Seriously.Areys KILLED Rickard and Brandon. How could you say that Ned wasn't justified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paytheironicprice Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 No... I do believe Robert and Ned invaded and attacked. If president murdered a governor he'd be arrested, Alabama wouldn't invade Washington d.c. Unless the governor was an insane mad man.The aggressor was definitely Aerys. Brandon and his men rushed to King's Landing because of Lyanna's "kidnapping", and Aerys murdered them. He then murdered the fathers of the men he had just killed. Robert, Ned, and Jon did not act until Aerys demanded their heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rise of Dorne Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 So you are saying Ned and Robert are insane mad men? I believe the insane mad man would be the guy who burnt someone alive in his armour and then later attempted to burn down the biggest city in the country.No. Ned and Robert don't live in alabama. But they also don't have to rebel to get rid of Aerys. Their rebellion is as much about retaining their privileges as it is about justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naathi Prince Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 a combination of running away and vigorous assassination seems like it would work to me. That or staying in the Eyrie coupled with vigorous assassination.Yea running away is a great way to ensure that people respect you and don't try to murder you for ages to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 So far, the fans who thought the rebellion was unjust aren't doing a very good job of explaining why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 No. Ned and Robert don't live in alabama. But they also don't have to rebel to get rid of Aerys. Their rebellion is as much about retaining their privileges as it is about justice.Just out of curiosity, what would you have done if you were Ned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yea running away is a great way to ensure that people respect you and don't try to murder you for ages to come Not to mention it ensuring your family's security and health.So far, the fans who thought the rebellion was unjust aren't doing a very good job of explaining why. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 No... I do believe Robert and Ned invaded and attacked. If president murdered a governor he'd be arrested, Alabama wouldn't invade Washington d.c. Unless the governor was an insane mad man. Except in this case the president has much of the military still backing him. Or are you saying arresting Aerys was feasible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wales338 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Its about maintain their own lives. They are just chilling in the Vale doing nothing, and then some nut job who was their King decides he just wants to keep on killing people. Why? Gods know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rise of Dorne Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 The aggressor was definitely Aerys. Brandon and his men rushed to King's Landing because of Lyanna"kidnapping", and Aerys murdered them. He then murdered the fathers of the men he had just killed. Robert, Ned, and Jon did not act until Aerys demanded their heads.Treason: Rhaegar come out and die.Anyway murdering two people or four people doesn't justify going to war. The could have just run away and hired assassins to kill Aerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 You can't demand the heads of the heads of the overlords of the Stormlands and the North, who are fiercely loyal, from the overlord of the Vale and father figure and expect nothing bad to happen. Rebellions have started from less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sansa Stark Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 How could they pay, they're both Liege Lords? Give them Winterfell and Stormsends, better that than thousands of people. They can build new houses.Why did the dynasty have to go?What would the Faceless Men want to do with Winterfell and Storm's End? The cost is much more than that, usually. If Daenerys wants to hire an FM, she's probably have to sell a dragon. Plus, if the Faceless Men would accept and get Winterfell and Storm's End, it would be obvious Ned and Robert ordered Aerys to be killed. As Mad as Aerys was, I don't think Rhaegar would thank them for that. The dynasty had to go since the dynasty did not work anymore. Rhaegar abducted Lyanna, the daughter of a High Lord, betrothed to another High Lord, who were all friends with another High Lord. Then Aerys calls for innocent heads. Clearly, the Targaryens had to go because of this. They can't just do anything they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAndFullOfTurnips Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 So far, the fans who thought the rebellion was unjust aren't doing a very good job of explaining why.Because there's no way to defend that position while seeming rational/logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Treason: Rhaegar come out and die.Anyway murdering two people or four people doesn't justify going to war. The could have just run away and hired assassins to kill Aerys. Actually it does, since Aerys broke the feudal contract. Much like WW1 started with the death of one man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a Harpy Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 What's to stop Aerys ravaging Robert and Ned's kingdoms the minute they flee?Is it unfair to drag smallfolk into a war they dont't want? Yes. And they can refuse to go, sit back, and wait for Aerys to storm in and plain murder them. Or, they can fulfill their duty to their lords and fight for them when the King starts unjustly chopping of heads of anybody he sees fit? What kind of king is that? Totally justifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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