TheMountianNick Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 And it broke my heart.LOL. too little, too late. He's only crying because his plan didn't work out. Easy to regret when your past decissions didn't work out as you planned. He's going to get, what he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaSpice Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 LOL. too little, too late. He's only crying because his plan didn't work out. Easy to regret when your past decissions didn't work out as you planned. He's going to get, what he deserves.Wow, aren't you just a fantastic human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMountianNick Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Wow, aren't you just a fantastic human being.This guy KILLED CHILDREN. Burned down his home, and needlessly killed people who he onced help serve. Fantastic human being? Sorry I don't find compasson for a guy, who be all defenition, is a monster. He deserves to be tortured again... and again... and again.Awwww, but he is regreting all the bad stuff he did, because it didn't work out. Boo Hoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montey14 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 The part about Ned being like a real father was a bit of a shocker....but I just can't picture Ramsey being handsome....I picture him looking a bit more sinister.....but the scenes were great Theon actually admitting that he got wayyy in over his head.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Pipes Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 In ADWD's, doesn't Theon think something along the lines about the Starks being his real family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaSpice Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 This guy KILLED CHILDREN. Burned down his home, and needlessly killed people who he onced help serve. Wonderful human being? Sorry I don't find compasson for a guy, who be all defenition, is a monster. He deserves to be tortured again... and again... and again.Awwww, but he is regreting all the bad stuff he did, because it didn't work out. Boo Hoo.He let himself be talked into condoning killing two children to save face in a horrible situation. Yes, that was terrible. Don't forget, though, that he was a child who would have been killed by Ned Stark had Balon Greyjoy rebelled. That doesn't make it right, but there is some cultural relativity at play here.He also didn't burn down Winterfell ... did he say he did in that monologue? If so, that's not accurate. Maybe he just blames himself for it, assuming that the Ironborn did it. How on earth did he burn down Winterfell if he was knocked unconscious before it was burned?Pretty much everything about Theon's life is pathetic and pitiful and he deserves sympathy. I just can't even with the haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsputnik Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Ramsay is supposed to have kind of a pudgy, bloodless face. Roose also doesn't really look quite like I imagined - the bloke portraying him reminds of Vladimir Putin more than anyone else!I suppose it is probably difficult to turn up slightly chubby blokes with colourless eyes so they just went with whoever impressed for the Ramsay role. And you can't say he's not playing it well. That look in his eyes when he returned Theon to the dungeon was chilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaSpice Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 In ADWD's, doesn't Theon think something along the lines about the Starks being his real family?Yes, and Lady Dustin calls him out on it, too (that he wanted to be a Stark) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonious Stark Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 All I can say is FINALLY! They were dragging out the Ramsay intro too much. Can't wait to see how sick and twisted he becomes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMountianNick Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 He let himself be talked into condoning killing two children to save face in a horrible situation. Yes, that was terrible. Don't forget, though, that he was a child who would have been killed by Ned Stark had Balon Greyjoy rebelled. That doesn't make it right, but there is some cultural relativity at play here.He also didn't burn down Winterfell ... did he say he did in that monologue? If so, that's not accurate. Maybe he just blames himself for it, assuming that the Ironborn did it. How on earth did he burn down Winterfell if he was knocked unconscious before it was burned?Pretty much everything about Theon's life is pathetic and pitiful and he deserves sympathy. I just can't even with the haters.did I ever say he burned down winterfell? His actions LEAD to that happening, but he also beheaded the men he once served with, and had two chidlren, killed. Theon doesn't deserve sympathy. He was taken away from a father, who is a diguisting peron. He was given a good life, in Winterfell. He was raised as a lord, right along side every Stark child, and was treated better then Jon Snow. I don't see Jon, killing children, and betraying his family. Theon is a pathetic person, who is desperatly seeking approval because of his own shortcomings. He deserves everything that is coming to him, plain and simple. Go watch the Stark children SCREAMING and CRYING as he beheaded Ser Rodrick, as he whacks and slices, and kicks his head off. Go watch that and tell me he deserves any form of sympathy. He was given everything... and threw it all away because he was jealouse of his sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBastardofBluegrass Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 "My real father lost his head in King's Landing. I made a choice, and I chose wrong."-Theon Greyjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 did I ever say he burned down winterfell? His actions LEAD to that happening, but he also beheaded the men he once served with, and had two chidlren, killed. Theon doesn't deserve sympathy. He was taken away from a father, who is a diguisting peron. He was given a good life, in Winterfell. He was raised as a lord, right along side every Stark child, and was treated better then Jon Snow. I don't see Jon, killing children, and betraying his family. Theon is a pathetic person, who is desperatly seeking approval because of his own shortcomings. He deserves everything that is coming to him, plain and simple. Go watch the Stark children SCREAMING and CRYING as he beheaded Ser Rodrick, as he whacks and slices, and kicks his head off. Go watch that and tell me he deserves any form of sympathy. He was given everything... and threw it all away because he was jealouse of his sister.I doubt many would call it the good life for a young child to be forcibly taken away from their parents, siblings, friends, and home to be placed in an environment where everyone is distant and suspicious of them because of their family and culture. Furthermore, to be raised knowing that if your father messes up that your only friend's father will in return take off your head.Furthermore, Theon wasn't better treated then Jon instead he remembers it being the other way or at least similar.Moreover, I am sure there are numerous children who are distressed by Robb's armies killing their fathers, brothers, and friends but we don't consider Robb deserving of brutal torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jslay427 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 As The Theon Fanboi President I approved of this episode. Amazing scenes between Theon and "the boy". I never thought that the show could ever make Theon more sympathetic than the books. I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyll Tarly Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Poor Theon indeed, but I loved seeing Ramsay's face when he showed his true colors. He was like a boy getting his Christmas gift :DThat scene was worth the wait! Now time to see how the "boy" has his fun with Theon and every other idiot he comes around with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go joff go Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Alfie has to have the most expressive face ever. Loved my real father died and the way they mixed that up with his inferiority complex in comparison for Robb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyannaStargaryen Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 "My real father lost his head in King's Landing. I made a choice, and I chose wrong."-Theon GreyjoyI thought this was a really interesting turn for the show to take. Theon just barely gets there in ADWD, and even then, its only when he thinks about Robb and how he should have been with him and died with him at the RW.But I didn't mind it. They're making Theon repentant and sympathetic earlier, probably because he's going to be tortured into Reek all season and they want viewers to come to support him. And Allen does a pretty good job of selling it: he's between two things, all his plans have gone awry, and he's finally realized that he made a terrible choice that's put him in his present predicament but was also wrong on its own merits (ie ordering the deaths of the miller's kids).Although with Theon thinking of Ned as a father and Catelyn knitting whatever-the-hell-those-were for little Jon Snow, the tv series is really playing up notions of family and blood and parents, even more than the books do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebevan91 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 In ADWD's, doesn't Theon think something along the lines about the Starks being his real family?I believe so, and he thought "I should've died beside Robb" or something like that. I really hope they include that line somehow when they get to it. Have him tell it to himself, someone else, a horse, a white walker, somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frumpus Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 This guy KILLED CHILDREN. Burned down his home, and needlessly killed people who he onced help serve. Fantastic human being? Sorry I don't find compasson for a guy, who be all defenition, is a monster. He deserves to be tortured again... and again... and again.Awwww, but he is regreting all the bad stuff he did, because it didn't work out. Boo Hoo.Uh Theon didn't kill any children. That was Dagmar's doing (and Ramsay's in the books). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaSpice Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 Yeah, Theon was treated "well" as in he was comfortable, but he was also treated with distance and mistrust by everyone except Robb (and Ned kept his distance b/c he may have to kill him). The effect on the psychology of someone who is taken away from his family at 10 (8 in the show) and knows that he WILL be killed if his rebellious father rebells, well ... I mean, that would have a huge effect on you, right?I just love how people glorify the Starks to the point of thinking they "saved" Theon from his "awful family" by taking him hostage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Snow Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 "My real father lost his head in King's Landing."Oh, Theon. :crying:There's a big, big difference between forgiving someone's crimes and having sympathy for someone in a monstrous situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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