para Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 IF Jon ends up with someone, that scenario will most definitely come with a catch. It's not going to someone who is 'perfect' for Jon and with whom he'll have 2.5 kids, a white picket fence, kittens, and puppies while singing 'the hills are alive'. Unless Val will be revealed as secretly sacrificing babies to The Old Gods or something, she should be out if the running for that reason alone. Every other 'candidate' has an obvious (potential) catch and thus better chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Well, if you fantasise about something that has 0 backing in the story to disqualify Val... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Now that I think about it, I find the "Jon won't be with anyone because he's NW!" comments kind of dumb. I don't think anyone really agrees with the NW vow of chastity or non-marriage. If he does end up married it's not like it'll be some treacherous moment for him and will most likely happen out of necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Thank you.Everyone always says Jon's an oathbreaker for being with Ygritte, but most of the time people only judge Jon with these higher standards while his brothers visit the local whore house whenever they can. They started doing that long before him, so start there. Oh, and don't forget the Kingsguard, either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Realistically, by the end of the story Jon will either be dead or alone at the Wall. He will probably fuck Daenerys beforehand but I think Jon's ending has long been foreshadowed when he had that discussion about temptation with Aemon Targaryen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I've never understood the argument that Jon broke his vows by being with Ygritte. The oath says "I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children." Jon did not marry Ygritte, he holds no lands and has not fathered any children. There is nothing in the oath about being celibate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Isobel Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 When the Wall falls and the Others will be defeated there will be no NW so Jon can be with Val.It is known! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickeen Baratheon Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 He won't take any lands, hold no titles. His watch won't end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 He won't take any lands, hold no titles. His watch won't end. Yet and maybe the NW doesn't exist at the end. What do you think? That Jon should stay holding a sword over ruins in the snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickeen Baratheon Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yet and maybe the NW doesn't exist at the end. What do you think? That Jon should stay holding a sword over ruins in the snow? I think he will die fighting the Others, if that is the case. Or he'll rebuild the NW to their former glory. He doesn't seem like the oath-breaker type, or getting out on technicalities. He could've had Val, he refused. He could've had Ygritte, he refused. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think he will die fighting the Others, if that is the case. Or he'll rebuild the NW to their former glory. He doesn't seem like the oath-breaker type, or getting out on technicalities. He could've had Val, he refused. He could've had Ygritte, he refused. :( There is no oathbreaking when there is no NW, the existance of NW is the very purpose of the oaths not a technicality. Jon Snow refused Val (and yet he named a giant her bodyguard) Jon the King never refused anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickeen Baratheon Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 There is no oathbreaking when there is no NW, the existance of NW is the very purpose of the oaths not a technicality. Jon Snow refused Val (and yet he named a giant her bodyguard) Jon the King never refused anything. I like Jon, but it goes against his character to deny the woman he loved ( Ygritte ) Not go to save Arya when he could, just to eventually walk away hand in hand with a hot blonde? Even if the NW is destroyed, the LC should die with them, or he's a coward. He vowed to defend the realm, worse, he swore it to the Old Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Most likely, the Night's Watch can only be disbanded by the King of the Seven Kingdoms or, should the Kingdoms break apart, a council of the different Kings. If the Wall was to magically fall apart or the Watch be military defeated, the Watch itself would continue to exist in her ragged survivors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I like Jon, but it goes against his character to deny the woman he loved ( Ygritte ) Not go to save Arya when he could, just to eventually walk away hand in hand with a hot blonde? Even if the NW is destroyed, the LC should die with them, or he's a coward. He vowed to defend the realm, worse, he swore it to the Old Gods. Because a King or a married man can't defend the Realm? :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Well, if you fantasise about something that has 0 backing in the story to disqualify Val... :rolleyes:Right, the "Val is perfect for Jon, that's why she is his only potential wife" stuff is super-duper realistic in a story where every wedding so far ultimately ended in tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickeen Baratheon Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Because a King or a married man can't defend the Realm? :bang: I'm just saying, it doesn't seem likely that he would go against the vows. And, if the NW was disbanded, he married, what would say he was king? He may have a claim, but swords win a war, not pretty hair and a nice smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'm just saying, it doesn't seem likely that he would go against the vows. And, if the NW was disbanded, he married, what would say he was king? He may have a claim, but swords win a war, not pretty hair and a nice smile. The foreshadowing. As for the swords I think that GNC proves that he has all the swords he need. Who is better to rule than the savior after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangejosh Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I don't understand all the speculation of who Jon will end up with? He is a man of the Nights Watch, no bullshit technicality will change that. The only way Jon should be free from the NW, is if there isn't a NW at the end. If that Is the case I don't want Dany (no more incest), or Val (I don't get all the fuss over her). I think Arianne will marry Aegon. Maybe a character not introduced yet. I still think the story ends with Jon in the NW though, he passed his test when he left Ygritte for his brothers. Does anyone really think the wall will even exist at the end of the series? Most of the wildlings are now south of the wall and all signs point to a final battle between the Others and the rest of Westeros resulting in the destruction of the Others most likely. The wall will come down with either the horn or dragon fire. Thus the NW's ending and Jon being able to move on. Hell he may not even technically be bound to his vows anymore after his stabbing and possible resurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyrnaSnowBunnyAvenger Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Satin, obviously... Beat me to it :fencing: I like this best. He's at the wall, with Satin - so I guess he's not technically breaking his vows. And they kill Dany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter209 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Let's see here: -Dany, but the only realistic scenario I see that they end up together is in a loveless, political marriage to intertwine the North and South.-Sansa, but she, more than likely, ends up married to Harry the Heir.-Asha, but he'd nope right out of that relationship.-Arianne/Sand Snake, but I believe 100% that they'll be tied to Aegon in one form or another.-Margaery, but that's only if he wants to sign his own death certificate.-Val, I don't have anything against this match, as long as he doesn't jump over Rickon to be King in the North. -Cersei, but HELL NAW. So, in order of possibilty, IMO:1. Dany or Val2. Sansa3. Margaery4. Dornish5. Asha/Cersei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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