LouDank Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Sam has a flash back about his father beating him etc. What do you think led to that and how bad do you think it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Um...no.Eta to add: he was beat because his dad thought he was soft. Molested? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 :shocked: That title, man that's just not cool. You can't throw out stuff like that with zero evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 :shocked: That title, man that's just not cool. You can't throw out stuff like that with zero evidence. Well, I imagine he just means "abuse". I used it also wrongly. It is especially difficult for those who have English as 2nd, 3rd language... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Well, I imagine he just means "abuse". I used it also wrongly. It is especially difficult for those who have English as 2nd, 3rd language... It's not just the title though, his OP mentions physical abuse and asks how far do we think Randyll went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I don't recall any rusty iron hinges in Sam's chapters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 With all the messed up shit his dad did to him he may as well have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 It's not just the title though, his OP mentions physical abuse and asks how far do we think Randyll went. I am too innocent and naive for this forum... :rolleyes: As for physical abuse, I imagine there were some punishments in attempts to toughen Sam. Since there is no doubt of emotional abuse, can we with 100% certainty exclude at least notion of some physical abuse? I am not so sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I don't think there was any sexual abuse, but plenty of physical and verbal abuse like when Randyll chained Sam in the dungeons with chains around his neck just for suggesting becoming a maester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I am too innocent and naive for this forum... :rolleyes: As for physical abuse, I imagine there were some punishments in attempts to toughen Sam. Since there is no doubt of emotional abuse, can we with 100% certainty exclude at least notion of some physical abuse? I am not so sure... There was definite physical abuse! He chained Sam to a dungeon wall for three days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 There was definite physical abuse! He chained Sam to a dungeon wall for three days.No argument, I just think that molested (in this case) is a sensationalized term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Abstract Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 If by molested you mean sexual abuse, I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 There was definite physical abuse! He chained Sam to a dungeon wall for three days. Well, point taken, somehow that slipped my mind... But, we can all agree there were never any sexual abuse whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Well, point taken, somehow that slipped my mind... But, we can all agree there were never any sexual abuse whatsoever. Oh absolutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood of the dragoon Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I don't think so, but we don't definitively know.We also don't know that Bronze Yohn can't fly either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allison of Tarth Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Just to be totally clear since English as a second or third language has been mentioned ... "molested" almost always means sexual abuse in modern usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 No sexual abuse hinted at for Sam that we know of. To be fair, I think the OP seems to be referring to the extent of physical, not sexual, abuse Sam endured (since beatings are referenced)...unless the OP is assuming that because there was terrible physical abuse, there must have been sexual abuse, which makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPaulGualtieri Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Sexually? No I don't think so. Lord Randyll was just a terrible, physically abusive father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 There's no evidence of that. None. Beating your soft, weakling son in order to toughen him up is standard medieval parenting. Sexual abuse is something that's always been seen as wrong. Randyll Tarly is not the sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Howell Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Dafuq did I just read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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