Bearson Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 No. The Targ kingdom of Westeros is historically more akin to how a Norse adventurer or chieftain took and settled a small territory (Rollo taking over Normandy), and his descendant conquering a kingdom. Except Aegon I Targaryan, unlike William the Bastard, actually had no marital claim to any parts of Westeros. Also, in the wiki it's referred to as the Valyrian Freehold, not the Valyrian Empire. Apparantly it was never a unified empire, and never had a unified ruler. It was more like a collection of city states, sending dragonlord's off to conquer land to settle as I understand it. Also, the Targaryans gave up their old Valyrian gods and adapted the faith of the Andals, and in that they mostly resemble again the Norse settlers of Normandy - and Kiev -, who gradually abandonded their own culture and faith and adapted the customs and faith of the people they ruled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Firstly: Valyria was not an Empire. Second: Valyrian customs (like incest and slavery) are not accepted in WesterosThird: By their own words Targaryens are dragons. How can an animal reign over human? Nobody denies that the Targaryens have the blood of old Valyria, and that they are the rightful owners of te IT.I think that there are way too many people that deny that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Valyrian freehold was built upon the blood of slaves from all over the world. Thet deserved the Doom. Volantis is the political continuation of old Valyria and I hope Volantis is sacked never to rise again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Flies Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 The only significant differences in Westeros pre-Conquest vs. post-Conquest was the consolidation of power in King's Landing and the existence of the Kingsguard. Literally every other part of Westerosi culture, which had existed long before the Targaryens arrived remains intact, with very little of Valyrian imports.So, no. As people have said, Volantis is the closest thing to a successor to Old Valyria, and even they are a pretty weak imitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merry Other Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Not to hijack the thread but I can't help thinking: - Westeros = Britain- Essos = Eurasia- First Men = Ancient Britons- Valyria = Rome- Wo5K = War of the Roses- Starks = Yorks- Lannisters = Lancasters- Dorne = Cornwall- The Wall = Hadrian's wall- Wildlings = Scots- Ironborn = Vikings- Dothraki = Huns- Bravoos = Venice- Volantis = Constantinople- Ghiscari Empire = Persian Empire- Summer Islanders = Africans- Asshai = India- Yiti = China? (name sounds Chinese for sure) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 - Starks = Yorks- Lannisters = LancastersI agree with AMTargaryens: LancastersBaratheons: YorksLannisters: WoodvillesTyrells: Nevilles The Starks are kind of their own thing. Targs are Lancasters.Baratheons are Yorks.Lannisters are Woodvilles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merry Other Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 @Jon's Queen ConsortIMO, Targs = House of Wessex; Bob (Baratheon) = Billy (the Conqueror). Incidentally, House of Wessex ruled England for 300 years, same as Targs ruled Westeros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jaime Lannister Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Pretty good question... It seems similar to many of the "Kingdoms" lead by Macedonian generals after the death of Alexander. The Ptolemys in Egypt even practiced incest to keep the bloodline pure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catastrophe Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Nah, the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros kept their own culture and customs. The Free Cities (with the exception of Braavos, which was founded by escaped Valyrian slaves) are the cultural successors of the Valyrian Freehold, especially Lys (where the population is mostly of Valyrian descent) and Volantis (which is a direct political continuation of the Freehold). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Lepus Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 The Valyrian FREEHOLD was a Republic of sorts, so no. Of course, that may very well be beyond the understanding of 99.99 % of the Westerosi, They all seem to have real trouble understanding political systems different from their own: The Small Council treated Dany and Khal Drogo as if the dothraki cared about westerosi feudal "rights", Stannis and Selyse thought that the wildlings had a westerosi-style monarchy, and even Tyrion didn't seem to really understand how Volantene Triarchy works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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