Malcolm of House Tucker Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 This theory blew my mind. Please post more like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal Pod Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Great post. I hadn't considered the harp. I don't know what size the harp is but Ned was already bringing Lyanna's body back to Winterfell so there is a good chance that he would be using a wagon anyway. Why were people suggesting that Torrhen's crown could be in the crypt as well? Did Rhaegar have it? The wiki says the whereabouts of the crown are unknown. I prefer the idea of the harp, wedding cloak and a dragon egg if there are multiple items hidden there but either way I really like this theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Jennings Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 "Ned, what are you doing with Rhaegar's harp here in Winterfell?" "I don't know! I tried to play it but I suck at it! I guess I'll just put it in Lyanna's tomb for no particular reason at all!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelanisticMelisandre Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Very interesting read! But I have to ask, if Jon Snow is AA or/and TPTWP why must Jon prove that to himself/others? ASOIF could easily end with that being speculation, or that AA/TPTWP doesn't know about the prophecy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceluby Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The problem I have with this is, where is the connection to Jon? The Rhaegar/Lyanna connection already exists, a harp in her tomb emphasizes it, but it says nothing about Jon. Even if Jon finds out the truth, goes and defiles his mother's own tomb, and proves to himself that he is their get, what does it do to convince anybody else? Heck, even if Rhaegar himself was buried with her, what does that prove about Jon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The secret buried beneath the Winterfell crypts is export-grade petroleum. The Starks have been sitting on an industrial revolution for centuries. But now the truth is out. www.InvestigateWinterfell.comwww.StarkLies.comwww.RadioFreeHorza.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The problem I have with this is, where is the connection to Jon? The Rhaegar/Lyanna connection already exists, a harp in her tomb emphasizes it, but it says nothing about Jon. Even if Jon finds out the truth, goes and defiles his mother's own tomb, and proves to himself that he is their get, what does it do to convince anybody else? Heck, even if Rhaegar himself was buried with her, what does that prove about Jon? The harp in the tomb could also prove to some people that in addition to being a traitor, Ned Stark was a thief as well. Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceluby Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The harp in the tomb could also prove to some people that in addition to being a traitor, Ned Stark was a thief as well. Just sayin. Could you imagine how pissed this would make Lady Dustin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickeen Baratheon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Love the theory! But the only proof you need is the army behind you. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Interesting, I like it. It makes thematic sense and I do especially love Littlefinger's line. It adds depth. It's also something different, something I haven't seen before. I've heard of dragon eggs, marriage cloaks, swords, crowns ... never the harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta1r Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The problem I have with this is, where is the connection to Jon? The Rhaegar/Lyanna connection already exists, a harp in her tomb emphasizes it, but it says nothing about Jon. Even if Jon finds out the truth, goes and defiles his mother's own tomb, and proves to himself that he is their get, what does it do to convince anybody else? Heck, even if Rhaegar himself was buried with her, what does that prove about Jon? Yeah, it wouldn't do much to convince anyone else in the series. I can't think of anything that would be in the tomb, short of video evidence, that would actually prove to anyone else in the kingdom Jon's parentage. And even then they'd be crying "shopped!" At best some memento of Rhaegar would help Jon realize his own lineage/potential as the PtwP (although how he would get the idea that he's not Ned's son but Lyanna's is also not clear at this point - Reed maybe?). The harp in the tomb could also prove to some people that in addition to being a traitor, Ned Stark was a thief as well. Just sayin. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyse Stark Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Yeah, it wouldn't do much to convince anyone else in the series. I can't think of anything that would be in the tomb, short of video evidence, that would actually prove to anyone else in the kingdom Jon's parentage. And even then they'd be crying "shopped!" At best some memento of Rhaegar would help Jon realize his own lineage/potential as the PtwP (although how he would get the idea that he's not Ned's son but Lyanna's is also not clear at this point - Reed maybe?). It would be much more interesting if Jon had one half of a Targaryen wedding cloak in his possession as a swaddling cloth that became a security blanket, and the other half entombed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta1r Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 It would be much more interesting if Jon had one half of a Targaryen wedding cloak in his possession as a swaddling cloth that became a security blanket, and the other half entombed. Yeah, that would be telling. I can't see how this would be in Jon's possession but go unnoticed by anyone in the household for 14+ years though. Particularly Catelyn, who seems like she was always intrigued (and probably a bit jealous) about the identity of the mother. Even if Catelyn never wanted to touch the kid and Jon always had some nanny take care of him, someone would have noticed clothing with Targaryen emblems on it, as it was the reigning house for decades before the rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So NOT a Maiden Fair Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 "A harp can be as dangerous as a sword, in the right hands." - Littlefinger Jon = King ArthurHarp in the stone (tomb) = Sword in the stoneSo, it takes king's blood to wake a dragon from stone - Jon will have to open the crypt to find out he is a prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Banker Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Mind = blown Very nice theory, I could definately see it happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceluby Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 "A harp can be as dangerous as a sword, in the right hands." - Littlefinger Jon = King Arthur Harp in the stone (tomb) = Sword in the stone So, it takes king's blood to wake a dragon from stone - Jon will have to open the crypt to find out he is a prince. This completely ignores the back story of the sword in the stone. It's not like people are saying that the one who holds Rhaegar's harp is the true king. It's pretty meaningless and at the very most could connect the dots for Jon if he happens to have a vision. It literally does nothing to 'prove' who he is to anybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pamparius Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Not bad, but, why would he take Rhaegar's harp just to shut it away in a tomb? I mean, even if you're trying to hide it so you could give it to Jon later down the line, surely there is somewhere more convenient than his sister's tomb to store it which seems far more... <_< >_>.... cryptic than seems necessary! I know you suggest that the promise Ned made was that he had to tell Jon one day. I think its more likely that the promise was to raise Jon as his own in Winterfell, because otherwise why did the fear go out of Lyanna's eyes when he agreed? I think its more likely the fear was about her new born son being raised by someone who would look after him than about the prophecy. Indeed. It also explains why, if Lyanna asked Ned to raise Jon "as his own" why he never told Cat the details of Jon's parentage (unless he really is just Ned's bastard, which would be awesome/hilarious). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yin Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Can Jon sing? I don't think we've ever seen him sing, the closest was from the time he spent with the wildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos's Missing Fingers Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Love the theory! But the only proof you need is the army behind you. ;) Unless Melisandre makes some funky shadow babies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Shake Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Excellent write-up, didn't really think much about the harp but i can subscribe to this theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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