varunpats18 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I was just thinking of the chaos which would happen if, somehow tommen dies. -That would drive cersei even madder. -The Tyrrells would lose their grasp on the throne since tommen's betrothal to margaery was their claim to power -The Martells would gain more power(and the Tyrrells hate them) since myrcella who is betrothed to trystane Martell would be the heir to the throne -That could worsen young Griffin's campaign since the Martells might not support him (they would already have the throne, why would they what to just be someone's ally when they can be the ones ruling?) -Cersei might have to marry someone from a big house who remain strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Yes, it would cause chaos in the realm - well, more chaos. It would also matter who is blamed for his death (rightly or wrongly). -Cersei might have to marry someone from a big house who remain strong. Euron or Littlefinger would be the only ones who could provide her with that sort of power. Of the two, I think she'd choose the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I hope GRRM does it as beautiful as the PR^And who would marry Cersei after she was walked through the streets called every name in the book by all the smallfolk, she ain't marrying anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minstral Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I hope GRRM does it as beautiful as the PR That would be unlikely because the relief that the reader gets when Joffrey finally died does not translate to Tommen's character. We know that Tommen is likely to die, from Cersei's actions and the vow of Jon Con to kill Robert's "line", and when we finally get to this event it will probably be presented in a unjust manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Euron or Littlefinger would be the only ones who could provide her with that sort of power. Of the two, I think she'd choose the former. I would so like to see that... Imagine the marriage of that lying, violent, amoral psychopath and Euron :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 -The Martells would gain more power(and the Tyrrells hate them) since myrcella who is betrothed to trystane Martell would be the heir to the throne-That could worsen young Griffin's campaign since the Martells might not support him (they would already have the throne, why would they what to just be someone's ally when they can bethe ones ruling?) Myrcella is on her way to KL. While isn't actually "official", I'd say that her betrothal to Trystane is pretty much over already, specially once Cersei sees what happened to her face Besides, Doran doesn't want power for the sake of power. He wants justice and revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 That would be unlikely because the relief that the reader gets when Joffrey finally died does not translate to Tommen's character. We know that Tommen is likely to die, from Cersei's actions and the vow of Jon Con to kill Robert's "line", and when we finally get to this event it will probably be presented in a unjust manner.I'm saying as how it affects Cersei and the chaos it will give the readers. I'll feel relief when the evil Lannisters finally lose their grip on the throne, those monsters have held it for too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 It could prove favorable for Aegon, because Mace would offer Margaery to him to keep the grasp on the throne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Evil Lannister monsters? Where we reading the same books, I think you confused them with Sauron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Well, Tommen and Myrcella will die, per the Valonqar Propphecy. "Gold will be their crowns, and gold their shrouds." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 It could prove favorable for Aegon, because Mace would offer Margaery to him to keep the grasp on the throne My favorite prediction, Tyrells know who got them in power on the first place, and they know who can do it again, maybe Mace is the one who can threaten with Fire and Blood after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I'm saying as how it affects Cersei and the chaos it will give the readers.I'll feel relief when the evil Lannisters finally lose their grip on the throne, those monsters have held it for too longLet's hope the next Kings won't be Starks, they would get themselves killed too soon and thereby trigger a new civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Well, Tommen and Myrcella will die, per the Valonqar Propphecy. "Gold will be their crowns, and gold their shrouds." To your statement I will reply with two quotes Gorghan of Old Ghis once wrote that a prophecy is like a treacherous woman. She takes your member in her mouth, and you moan with the pleasure of it and think, how sweet, how fine, how good this is... and then her teeth snap shut and your moans turn to screams. That is the nature of prophecy, said Gorghan. Prophecy will bite your prick off every time. All men must die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Howland Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Worst of all there'd be no one left to stop the spread of beets throughout the Seven Kingdoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I hope GRRM does it as beautiful as the PR ^And who would marry Cersei after she was walked through the streets called every name in the book by all the smallfolk, she ain't marrying anyone. I don't see how the death of an sweet, young innocent king can ever be beautiful. Are you sure the Lannisters are the monsters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 My favorite prediction, Tyrells know who got them in power on the first place, and they know who can do it again, maybe Mace is the one who can threaten with Fire and Blood after all.Yep, Aegon and Margaery, the match that should have been. Their kid would have Targ, Dornish, Tyrell, and Hightower blood and would be unstoppable.But I don't think it's gonna happen. The current regime has been in power for far too long, and Martin needs to shake things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Let's hope the next Kings won't be Starks, they would get themselves killed too soon and thereby trigger a new civil war.The Starks never wanted to be kings and how is this relevant again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Well, some peope think Jon Stark might become king because his father was a Targaryen. I think those people are crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minstral Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I'm saying as how it affects Cersei and the chaos it will give the readers.I'll feel relief when the evil Lannisters finally lose their grip on the throne, those monsters have held it for too longOh, I agree that the Lannisters need to be removed from power, but don't you find a correlation between the murder of Rhaegars children and the proposed murder of Tommen and Myrcella? As of now they are seemingly decent kids, and killing claimants to the throne is/was common in this setting and our own history, so it is hard to argue that the death of Cersei's remaining children is the death of "evil monsters". Well, Tommen and Myrcella will die, per the Valonqar Propphecy. "Gold will be their crowns, and gold their shrouds." It has been predicted that they will die, no more. I would have argued that same position if GRRM isn't so deliberately obfuscating on so many other events of the story (The Hound, Mandon Moore, and so on). For all we know it could be another fake death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Oh, I agree that the Lannisters need to be removed from power, but don't you find a correlation between the murder of Rhaegars children and the proposed murder of Tommen and Myrcella? As of now they are seemingly decent kids, and killing claimants to the throne is/was common in this setting and our own history, so it is hard to argue that the death of Cersei's remaining children is the death of "evil monsters". It has been predicted that they will die, no more. I would have argued that same position if GRRM isn't so deliberately obfuscating on so many other events of the story (The Hound, Mandon Moore, and so on). For all we know it could be another fake death. In ASOIAF, prophecies always come true, invariably. If this prophecy wasn't important, it wouldn't be the primary motivator for why she makes most of her decisions including trying so ardently to destroy Tyrion and thus making an enemy of him. The Valonqar Prophecy is Cercei's story, along with her attempts to thwart it. The fact that her children are the little bits of light in her life, to lose them will be the completion of her tragedy. Make no mistake; Jaime is the Valonqar (notice her Aerys references in AFFC? and the wildfire caches?) and her children will die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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