Guard of the Rainking Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 What about Tyrion's and Jorah's relationship? Will Tyrion just dislike him until they are at Meereen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messem Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Uh, he also killed the love of his life with his bare hands. Uh, I did forget the whore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 What about Tyrion's and Jorah's relationship? Will Tyrion just dislike him until they are at Meereen? I think the show will actually present them in more a buddy-buddy sort of way, like Bronn and Tyrion. They've differed so much with Jorah (and Tyrion) that to have them be exactly like their book counterparts would now feel out of character for the show. So I think their will be animosity at first but then I suspect they'll bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janicia Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I think the show will actually present them in more a buddy-buddy sort of way, like Bronn and Tyrion. They've differed so much with Jorah (and Tyrion) that to have them be exactly like their book counterparts would now feel out of character for the show. So I think they'll be animosity at first but then I suspect they'll bond. Tyrion will be unhappy that Jorah captured him and is trying to drag him to his execution and Jorah won't have affection for any member of the regime that orchestrated his banishment from Dany. But once they're captured by slavers, they'll only have each other, so they'll have to work together. And by the end of the season, they'll probably kind of like and respect each other. But I don't think they'll be friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stannisismyking Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 It's strange to me how one can be fan of Stannis and dislike Victarion so much, when they're so similar in personalities. But that's a theme for another thread. I don't really see the similarities apart from the fact that they are both warriors and they're fairly bitter. But even if I did find them super similar, I don't see why that would mean I would have to like them both. I like a pretty wide mix of characters but Victarion's chapters are just particuarly unappealing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 How can one hate Dany when she is the main character of the story. You might as well switch to another story then :dunno: Same way I hate Anakin Skywalker in the sequels. Bad acting + dragging storyline. In the books, it isn't at all clear why Stannis thinks marching on Winterfell in winter is going to work out for him. That decision could look pretty dumb on the show. If Davos goes to Winterfell and then gets back to Stannis, at least Stannis would know that Bolton has enemies inside Winterfell, which would justify Stannis attacking a fortified castle with a smallish force in winter. When he sets out for Winterfell it isn't the blizzard death-storm it ends up as, and if the northern guides/leaders in his army couldn't predict the blizzard, neither could he. I always thought that he was so intent on marching because it he needed to keep up his momentum to cement the support of his northern allies. After all, when they're planning their next move all the northern leaders are hellbent on fighting Bolton, and denying them at that point might undo all the good done previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanx5 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I think the show will actually present them in more a buddy-buddy sort of way, like Bronn and Tyrion. They've differed so much with Jorah (and Tyrion) that to have them be exactly like their book counterparts would now feel out of character for the show. So I think their will be animosity at first but then I suspect they'll bond. I dont think they ever be (or at least in s5) buddy-buddy like Bronn and Tyrion. But think there will be some animosity between the 2 initially in the begining, Tyrion will dislike Jorah for kidnapping him and find him rather stupid going back to Dany after she threw him out, while Jorah will dislike him being a Lannister and kinda a smart ass. But think they will have kinda a respect and understanding for one another towards the end of s5 (we could already see in ADWD that kinda understanding/respecting/ or kinda looking out for one another towards the end) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralKyrd Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I dont think they ever be (or at least in s5) buddy-buddy like Bronn and Tyrion. But think there will be some animosity between the 2 initially in the begining, Tyrion will dislike Jorah for kidnapping him and find him rather stupid going back to Dany after she threw him out, while Jorah will dislike him being a Lannister and kinda a smart ass. But think they will have kinda a respect and understanding for one another towards the end of s5 (we could already see in ADWD that kinda understanding/respecting/ or kinda looking out for one another towards the end) I'm imagining its going to be a lot of Catelyn and Tyrion's Eyrie Adventure, and much less like Bronn and Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjordgazer Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I dont think they ever be (or at least in s5) buddy-buddy like Bronn and Tyrion. But think there will be some animosity between the 2 initially in the begining, Tyrion will dislike Jorah for kidnapping him and find him rather stupid going back to Dany after she threw him out, while Jorah will dislike him being a Lannister and kinda a smart ass. But think they will have kinda a respect and understanding for one another towards the end of s5 (we could already see in ADWD that kinda understanding/respecting/ or kinda looking out for one another towards the end) To have them as an odd comedic couple would be too cliche. I mean, it's fine if they want to cut the physical abuse, but they're bound to dislike each other for a while, really. Tyrion could perhaps be less bitter than in the books at this point, but Jorah should be the same or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagLover Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I think the show will actually present them in more a buddy-buddy sort of way, like Bronn and Tyrion. They've differed so much with Jorah (and Tyrion) that to have them be exactly like their book counterparts would now feel out of character for the show. So I think their will be animosity at first but then I suspect they'll bond. agreed But also they may not even have Jorah capture him to start with (if FAegon is out) Varys may simply arrange for him to escort Tyrion there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stannisismyking Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm imagining its going to be a lot of Catelyn and Tyrion's Eyrie Adventure, and much less like Bronn and Tyrion. Neither character is going to be /as/ deep in the mire as they are in the books, but I think it would definitely work better if there was a constant edge to the relationship rather than another buddy-buddy relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralKyrd Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Neither character is going to be /as/ deep in the mire as they are in the books, but I think it would definitely work better if there was a constant edge to the relationship rather than another buddy-buddy relationship. They're way too brooding at the moment for a buddy-buddy relationship to exist. Jorah should be still depressed over losing the love of his life. He's going to want Tyrion to just shut up the entire way. Tyrion is going to be pushing his buttons for sport and to alleviate the boredom. I think Tyrion will be... fond, is a good way to put it, of Jorah at the end of the journey. Jorah will hesitantly and begrudgingly come to terms with the idea that Tyrion isn't that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 They're way too brooding at the moment for a buddy-buddy relationship to exist. Jorah should be still depressed over losing the love of his life. He's going to want Tyrion to just shut up the entire way. Tyrion is going to be pushing his buttons for sport and to alleviate the boredom. I think Tyrion will be... fond, is a good way to put it, of Jorah at the end of the journey. Jorah will hesitantly and begrudgingly come to terms with the idea that Tyrion isn't that bad. Ok, I think buddy-buddy was the wrong way to put it. lol. ^^ This is more or less how I see it going. I want them to keep closer to the books on this because I really liked their little adventure together, minus Jorah beating on Tyrion (bad Bear!) There's a lot they can give Peter and Iain and really have them sell it. I would like one conversation between the two where they talk about the women they love (Dany and Shae) and a sort of hesitant fondness comes out. I really need a scene where Jorah tells Tyrion all about Dany...cause I'll just melt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 From reading the books I always got the impression that what "broke" Tyrion was finding out his first wife was an innocent and what had been done to her. A few episodes of regret over killing Shae and then he can move on IMOIn the show, what "breaks" Tyrion is killing Shae. She replaced Tysha in the show, so it will be much more than "a few episodes of regret". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valyrian Lance Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 It's rushed because season 5 begins with a broken Tyrion half a world away. I'm not saying it's late in the story, it's just that I think that it would take some time to build a relationship between Tyrion and Dany to the point where he can sit next to her at the Pit, and the time isn't there. At best, Tyrion will have met Dany two episodes before the Pit, and even that's a bit of a stretch... I think Tyrion needs to be a slave for a good amount of time to or the whole thing is pointless. I don't think it is a given that Dany or even Hizdahr knows who Tyrion is in that scene. Barristan isn't there to identify him, Jorah is down in the pits. For all we know Tyrion performed like he did in some way, and instead of just not loosing the Lions, Dany could have invited him up. Hizdahr could have gotten Tyrion as a servant. Tyrion could have cunningly convinced him to buy him as I thought might have been happening in the Slave Sale scene in the books. And the dramatic irony of Tyrion being so near Dany without her knowing might be too much for D&D to pass up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Tyrion's season 1 arc covered a tremendous amount of material - starting out in the royal entourage, side-trip to help Jon adjust to the Wall, arrested by Catelyn, attacked by the hill tribes, locked up at the Eyrie, trial at the Eyrie, brings the hill tribes to Tywin's army, meets and bonds with Bronn and Shae, leads the hill tribes in battle, attends war councils, sent to Kings Landing. Ned's and Danys arcs in season 1 also covered a lot of ground really quickly. And those three arcs were the backbone of season 1, were lauded, and launched the show to success. The arcs that people disliked on the show - Dany season 2, Theon season 3, Jon seasons 1-3, Bran, Sam - these were all arcs that moved slowly. Moving fast is a better bet for the show than moving slow. It's also possible, and I'd say more likely, that people disliked Dany's season 2 storyline, Jon's season 2 storyline and Theon's season 3 storyline because they plain sucked and were examples of awful writing. I haven't seen any dislike of Sam's storyline, and I don't see how it "moved slowly". It went from the attack of the Others and disastrous battle at the First of First Men, to the mutiny at Craster's, to Sam saving Gilly and the baby, to Sam and Gilly being attacked by a White Walker and Sam being the first person in the show to kill a White Walker. It's strange to me how one can be fan of Stannis and dislike Victarion so much, when they're so similar in personalities. But that's a theme for another thread. I'm not a Stannis fan, but I certainly like him better than Victarion and I can very easily see how someone can be a fan of Stannis and dislike Victarion, considering the fact that Stannis is not a rapist, does not engage in domestic violence (at least not in the books), has not beaten his wife to death, does not conduct raids consisting of raping and mass murdering people, does not condone rape of anyone in his employ, in fact severely punishes his soldiers who commit rape during the war, and is not an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjordgazer Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I don't think it is a given that Dany or even Hizdahr knows who Tyrion is in that scene. Barristan isn't there to identify him, Jorah is down in the pits. For all we know Tyrion performed like he did in some way, and instead of just not loosing the Lions, Dany could have invited him up. Hizdahr could have gotten Tyrion as a servant. Tyrion could have cunningly convinced him to buy him as I thought might have been happening in the Slave Sale scene in the books. And the dramatic irony of Tyrion being so near Dany without her knowing might be too much for D&D to pass up. I hope something like this. Just an alternative to the pig-jousting and not a "look what we did, the 2 most favorite characters are bonding from the get-go!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjordgazer Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm not a Stannis fan, but I certainly like him better than Victarion and I can very easily see how someone can be a fan of Stannis and dislike Victarion, considering the fact that Stannis is not a rapist, does not engage in domestic violence (at least not in the books), has not beaten his wife to death, does not conduct raids consisting of raping and mass murdering people, does not condone rape of anyone in his employ, in fact severely punishes his soldiers who commit rape during the war, and is not an idiot. Oh look, another Vic hater :rolleyes: You know, i refuse to discuss this here because it's completely off-topic, but for the record, this is an example of people using fallacious arguments to bash a character: where in the books has Victarion raped someone? Or even given a hint about it? And please don't talk about his men, because even all-honorable Robb Stark couldn't prevent his own men from raping. I'll leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stannisismyking Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 They're way too brooding at the moment for a buddy-buddy relationship to exist. Jorah should be still depressed over losing the love of his life. He's going to want Tyrion to just shut up the entire way. Tyrion is going to be pushing his buttons for sport and to alleviate the boredom. I think Tyrion will be... fond, is a good way to put it, of Jorah at the end of the journey. Jorah will hesitantly and begrudgingly come to terms with the idea that Tyrion isn't that bad. Ok, I think buddy-buddy was the wrong way to put it. lol. ^^ This is more or less how I see it going. I want them to keep closer to the books on this because I really liked their little adventure together, minus Jorah beating on Tyrion (bad Bear!) There's a lot they can give Peter and Iain and really have them sell it. I would like one conversation between the two where they talk about the women they love (Dany and Shae) and a sort of hesitant fondness comes out. I really need a scene where Jorah tells Tyrion all about Dany...cause I'll just melt. Sounds good on all counts! Iain Glen was actually the first draw to the show for me (I didn't know anything about the books before I watched, just read a favourable review of episode 1, thought I'd give it a whirl and was really pleased to see Iain show up) and this is such a great storyline for him. Shitty for Jorah, great for him..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Oh look, another Vic hater :rolleyes: You know, i refuse to discuss this here because it's completely off-topic, but for the record, this is an example of people using fallacious arguments to bash a character: where in the books has Victarion raped someone? Or even given a hint about it? And please don't talk about his men, because even all-honorable Robb Stark couldn't prevent his own men from raping. I'll leave it at that. You mean the Dusky Woman was not a slave given to him by Euron, but Euron's friend who enjoyed consensual sex with Vic? Color me surprised. And Vic's reaving does not include at least encouraging and assuming that his men will commit rape, much like the Dothraki raids? But I don't hate Victarion, he's too stupid to hate. I was bored by his AFFC chapters, but his ADWD chapters turned into entertaining, if horrible, black comedy. You don't have to hate a character to be aware of what they are and what they have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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