El Guapo Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 When Dany reaches Westeros to play the game of thrones, Stannis will be on the other side of the Wall fighting the real danger. He is heading in the wrong direction then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Noctua Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He is heading in the wrong direction then. You think so? We have been lead to think that the Others are the true danger, so unless Dany is the actual 'bad guy' of the series, I don't see how fighting the Others is the wrong direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trees have eyes Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You think so? We have been lead to think that the Others are the true danger, so unless Dany is the actual 'bad guy' of the series, I don't see how fighting the Others is the wrong direction. He means Stannis left the Wall to take Winterfell from Bolton. And he fought Mance Raydar not The Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lullipop Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Also, Stannis holds Dragonstone. Hell, it was Stannis who took Dragonstone from the Targaryens, the reason she had do be smuggled away. Homegirl will not be happy facing Stannis, for sure. [ Dany: *angry dragon noises* Stannis: girl I changed your diapers before taking your castle, shut up] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Noctua Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He means Stannis left the Wall to take Winterfell from Bolton. And he fought Mance Raydar not The Others. Oh. Well, Stannis could hardly fight the Others using only the 1400-1500 soldiers he had before meeting the mountain clans. He would need a larger army, which he could gather only by conquering the North at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He is heading in the wrong direction then. Lets be fair here. Stannis cant face the Others when the Boltons are enemies at his back. Getting rid of the Boltons keeps Stannis from having to face enemies from both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Lets be fair here. Stannis cant face the Others when the Boltons are enemies at his back. Getting rid of the Boltons keeps Stannis from having to face enemies from both sides. Or Stannis bends the knee so the living aren't dying fighting the living but, instead, they die fighting the death. We could say that the North won't have peace until the last of the Freys is buried on top of the last of the Boltons, but Stannis didn't know that when he went to the Mountain Clans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averde Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Their claim is derived from the Targ blood, it's a new last name but the claim is still derived from descent from Aegon. Changing the last name doesn't completely annul other claims - it just establishes the claim as the one currently in power as being from a different branch in the family tree.And do you have an example of "house baratheon of kings landing" from the text? I don't recall that one either."House Baratheon of King's Landing is the royal line of House Baratheon of Storm's End, from which it comes. It was founded by Robert Baratheon after his successful rebellion against King Aerys II Targaryen. When he became king, Robert moved from Storm's End to King's Landing." - Asoiaf wiki Whether they claim it through Targaryen blood or not doesn't matter. The throne now legally passes down the Baratheon family tree to Stannis, so in answering this topic about Stannis's reaction to Dany it is fairly safe to assume he will still claim he is the legal heir to the Baratheon throne, because he is. I get what your trying to say, Robert was chosen to be king by the rebels because he was related to the Targaryens, but I don't see how it impacts this discussion thread so I don't see a reason in bringing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A spoon of knife and fork Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Wiki is not a textual source, but a fan interpretation of the text.I personally think GRRM left it intentionally vague about who has the most legit claim(s) and how they are derived so things will be most interesting, and TBH realistic.If there was a statement in the text where stannis says "those Targaryens have no claim so I don't even have to worry about them," I'd change my mind. But quite the opposite is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I don't think stannis will bend the knee, we are talking about the guy who will break before he bends hereAnd his claim is better than dany's, so he will fight her, and will most likely die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helter skelter Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 i find this "claim" thing really ridicoulus. with the right amount of soldier and with good strategy even the butchers boy could be the lord of seven kingdoms. but if we are going to talk about claim stannis is the true heir of the last king making everybody else usurpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 i find this "claim" thing really ridicoulus. with the right amount of soldier and with good strategy even the butchers boy could be the lord of seven kingdoms. but if we are going to talk about claim stannis is the true heir of the last king making everybody else usurpers. Can he produce a DNA test to prove it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlaars Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 He's gone through so much, I doubt he'll stop for some girl from an overthrown dynasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A spoon of knife and fork Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 i find this "claim" thing really ridicoulus. with the right amount of soldier and with good strategy even the butchers boy could be the lord of seven kingdoms. but if we are going to talk about claim stannis is the true heir of the last king making everybody else usurpers.Even though it is ridiculous and arbitrary, There's clearly something to the idea of a claim in feudal societies. People are willing to follow people not because they are the best leader, but because they think the person has a legitimate right to the throne derived from blood. No one follows the butchers boy because they know no one else will follow them. Also, supporting kings who have a right by blood strengthens a lords own right to his heirs inheriting the lands he owns. It's a self-perpetuating system for that reason, however arbitrary and wrong.However I think when you have multiple claimants, that's when people might choose to follow a leader they actually think is the best/most qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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