forod Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 just a theory, but by keeping Dany occupied in Mereen with its problems, they can stop the risk of her invading with dragons and creating mass destruction, whislt paving the way for Aegon to invade whilst the Lannisters and Tyrells divide and ruin the realm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpiginsunspear Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Why do you assume Varys/Illyrio want to pave the way for Aegon over Dany? Aegon was on the way to meet Dany, which was Illyrio's plan, before Aegon unilaterally decided to invade Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I can't say that I agree with this but it's original and not entirely illogical. A big plus is that the post doesn't contain 87 paragraphs of quotes and unjustifiable assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varys' member Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 A theory is generally supported with evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 just a theory, but by keeping Dany occupied in Mereen with its problems, they can stop the risk of her invading with dragons and creating mass destruction, whislt paving the way for Aegon to invade whilst the Lannisters and Tyrells divide and ruin the realm Harpies are female. Neither Varys nor Illyrio are Ghiscari. The Green Grace is the harpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenezuelanLord Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Why do you assume Varys/Illyrio want to pave the way for Aegon over Dany? Aegon was on the way to meet Dany, which was Illyrio's plan, before Aegon unilaterally decided to invade Westeros. Im pretty sure the plan only changed after the birth of the dragons, before that, it was viserys and danenerys task to get a Dothraki army and march to westeros.. Until Viseys Fucked up in Vaes Dothrak, Drogo was turned into VeggioDrogo, and The dragons hatched... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I agree that it's the Green Grace. It's an original theory, I'll give you that (Lord of Light knows we need more of those). But when the Harpy killing start Varys, et al are expecting her and Aegon to meet up so they'd have no reason to sabotage her. And Welcome! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregg22 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Not sure about this theory, but I never understood why Tywin didn't seem to have a plot in place to take out Dany. Or maybe he has and it has yet to be revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Not sure about this theory, but I never understood why Tywin didn't seem to have a plot in place to take out Dany. Or maybe he has and it has yet to be revealed. Because Varys was purposefully downplaying Dany's threat. Like, he would tell the Small Council about the dragons in the same breath as he told them about krakens and other sailors' tales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I can't say that I agree with this but it's original and not entirely illogical. A big plus is that the post doesn't contain 87 paragraphs of quotes and unjustifiable assumptions. A theory is generally supported with evidence. Can't please everyone... Harpies are female. Neither Varys nor Illyrio are Ghiscari. The Green Grace is the harpy. This is what I thought as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I can't say that I agree with this but it's original and not entirely illogical. A big plus is that the post doesn't contain 87 paragraphs of quotes and unjustifiable assumptions. You...I like you. Well said my good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forod Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 Can't please everyone... This is what I thought as well. I just re-read the last few books, and the Green Grace could be the harpy, which is more likely than Varys or Illyrio, I just feel that from what we kknow of those two characters they might feel that dragons are too dangerous a weapon to unleash in Westeros so they want to keep her in the east whilst using their other Targaryen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forod Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 Because Varys was purposefully downplaying Dany's threat. Like, he would tell the Small Council about the dragons in the same breath as he told them about krakens and other sailors' tales I think it had more to do with the crown simply having more pressing concerns closer to home whilst Tywin was Hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedCounselor Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Why would Varys/Illyrio stop killing so that what's-his-face can marry Dany after 30 days? Also, how would they actually set it all up/why are the disgruntled Merenese nobles listening to them? Though concise theories are nice, just showing how Varys/Illyrio might have a motive is too poor of a support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I just re-read the last few books, and the Green Grace could be the harpy, which is more likely than Varys or Illyrio, I just feel that from what we kknow of those two characters they might feel that dragons are too dangerous a weapon to unleash in Westeros so they want to keep her in the east whilst using their other Targaryen. That's a good thought, but Illyrio was trying to get Dany to Pentos to meet up with Aegon, so I think that rules him out at least for the Harpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Knute Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Harpies are female. Neither Varys nor Illyrio are Ghiscari. The Green Grace is the harpy. DING DING! Finally someone sees the actuality. Although I'd be remiss if I didn't state that I've held this theory long before last season's episodes that pretty much leave the only option for that lady who's always around the Unsullied when they get attacked as the Green Grace (for us book readers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah.jenice Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Logistically, Varys couldn't have been in Meereen orchestrating the attacks on Dany and have made it back to King's Landing to kill Kevan. We see from Tyrion and Quentyn how much time it takes to travel to Meereen and how difficult it is becoming to get passage there. I guess Illyrio could have set out for Meereen as soon as he left Tyrion, but he seemed sincerely invested in Aegon and is smart enough to know marrying Dany would give him a better claim. Killing Dany wouldn't really do Aegon much good, especially since it's unclear if he'd be able to control the dragons. I agree it's most likely the Green Grace. The Harpy needs to be someone with enough influence to get the masters to carry out these attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forod Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 Logistically, Varys couldn't have been in Meereen orchestrating the attacks on Dany and have made it back to King's Landing to kill Kevan. We see from Tyrion and Quentyn how much time it takes to travel to Meereen and how difficult it is becoming to get passage there. I guess Illyrio could have set out for Meereen as soon as he left Tyrion, but he seemed sincerely invested in Aegon and is smart enough to know marrying Dany would give him a better claim. Killing Dany wouldn't really do Aegon much good, especially since it's unclear if he'd be able to control the dragons. I agree it's most likely the Green Grace. The Harpy needs to be someone with enough influence to get the masters to carry out these attacks. The controller of the Harpies wouldn't necessarily have to be in Mereen, they would just need communication channels, and Varys is the king of communication in ASOIAF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeron Velar Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Harpies are female. Neither Varys nor Illyrio are Ghiscari. The Green Grace is the harpy. Well then we have Varys who's disguises could fool anyone. He could easily turn female and chain but that means nothing really. I can't say that I agree with this but it's original and not entirely illogical. A big plus is that the post doesn't contain 87 paragraphs of quotes and unjustifiable assumptions. Not exactly original, I've seen this discussed before or just mentioned previously a couple weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forod Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 Well then we have Varys who's disguises could fool anyone. He could easily turn female and chain but that means nothing really. Not exactly original, I've seen this discussed before or just mentioned previously a couple weeks ago He wouldn't even need to be on the same continent, he would just need a liason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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