R+L=J v. 26
Posted 06 June 2012 - 07:16 PM
Luke was the son of the 'prince' of the evil Empire
Luke was spirited away to be raised by his aunt and uncle in secret
Luke's mother died in childbirth after a traumatic event transpired with his father
all these fit R+L=J
Posted 06 June 2012 - 07:32 PM
Posted 06 June 2012 - 07:57 PM
Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:02 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the show is deliberately not going there out of respect to GRRM. Jon's parents have been GRRM's big mystery for many years now and I think that he has earned the right to tell us when and where he wants to and not have it spoiled by some 'johnny-come-lately' TV series.
Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:07 PM
Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:17 PM
Please, could you paste the latest posts of the V.25?
Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:26 PM
Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:12 PM
This is good first post, Medieval Genius.
It's one thing to read the content of Ned's thoughts, memories and dreams in the book but harder to bring that to life in a live action TV series in a way that isn't either blatantly spoilerific or awkward exposition, or both. Those little hints and clues are very cleverly woven into other parts of the book stories, piece by piece, in a way that it takes some work to figure out.
If the show runners are trying to keep to the basic story arc and time frames of the books in the tv series, there are certain things that are important now and other things that can be disclosed later. I think some of the detail from the books is being lost in the short 10 episode season and there's only so much the audience can absorb with already a half dozen major storylines. Maybe they think that happened 17/18 years in the past has to wait to be revealed slowly while the current story is progressing.
One of the reviews of the finale pointed out that in the throne room scene in Danaerys' vision, there is one quick shot of the 7 pointed star in color before everything washes out in black, gray and white. In the center of that star appears to be a blue flower. It's easier to see in the extended features. It wouldn't mean anything to a non-book reader and it was just a quick flash, but it could be the first of may hints. On the TV series, we haven't heard the story of the wreath of blue roses that Rhaegar gave Lyanna, or the story of Bael the Bard and the importance of the blue rose. If/when that is revealed in later seasons, it may be a little hint that blue roses may tie Rhaegar to Lyanna, as well as the blue rose that Bael the Bard left in the place of the abducted daughter of Lord Stark who later gave birth to his bastard son.
In re: Alfie Allen's comments, assuming he's not just trolling the fansn and he let something slip that was meant to be kept a secret, I think he said Jon's story is sort of like Luke Skywalker, not exactly like it. That could mean a lot of things but certainly there are obvious parallels between a motherless (presumed orphan) child, raised by an Uncle (who is later killed by the Powers-That-Be) and who later goes off to join an ancient order of warriors and has certain innate extrasensory abilities. Luke learns the truth about his father, and I think Jon will find out the truth about his real father and mother.
Edited by LadyMary, 06 June 2012 - 09:16 PM.
Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:24 PM
Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:23 PM
Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:21 AM
And yet the TWOP Unsullied are all over it (though only after first theorizing he was Robert & Cersei's stillborn child, and then Ned and Cersei's love child. Third time's a charm, though!).
Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:29 AM
Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:58 AM
How could anyone who's never read the books or these forums (or had someone else spoil it for them) conclude that R+L=J? The interview the other posts are referring to? I can't keep up with these boards, let alone other sites, so I'm curious.
Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:00 AM
I think that's at least part of the Ashara Dayne rumours, actually. Ned certainly couldn't risk on having silver hair without having an explanation for that. So he planted the Ashara roumor; since there are silver-haired Daynes, he could simply have pointed to her as explanation.
Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:28 AM
anyhow it might have just been coincidence at this point re: hair color people just seem to make such a big fuss of it i'm starting to wonder if Rhaegar or Lyanna themselves had concerns with the color of their child's hair. obviously it's no biggie if circumstances were peaceful but it would be a huge concern if they were hiding him.
Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:17 AM
Edited by Dernhelm, 07 June 2012 - 03:43 AM.
Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:32 AM
It doesn't confirm R+l=J exactly, but it DOES confirm his parents were not Ned Stark+some ramdom woman!!!
Posted 07 June 2012 - 03:33 AM
The show has dropped clues that at least Ned is not the father. In the first season, Robert was down in the crypts looking at the statue of Lyanna and going on and on about how much he wanted to kill Rhaegar again and Ned kept silent. There was that scene where Jon asked about his mother and Ned said they'd talk about it when they next saw one another. Ned then had that conversation with Robert where Robert was asking him about Wylla. The most recent one was when Jaime was going on and on about how noble and honorable Ned was and yet he fathered a bastard. My sister, who is not the type to uncover mysteries and never notices any hints in books or shows (she doesn't even know the names of half the lead characters on the show), noticed this and phoned me exclaiming, "I just came up with the most awesome theory. Ned was not Jon Snow's father!"
Season one wasn't fresh in her mind and since she can't even remember Arya's name (her favorite character) she couldn't remember any of the names that were dropped in the first season. She's gone back to watch and it she's come close to guessing. Lyanna is a potential Jon mother she's picked out. Mad King Aerys was a potential father she guessed. If my sister, who's talents do not lie in picking up clues, has figured out that Ned is not Jon's father, then I'm certain that others who haven't read the books have as well.
Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:26 AM
GRRM may be doing a good job, but apparently the actors from Game of Thrones are not following his lead. Sean Bean gave an interview in New York Magazine where he all but admitted that he is not Jon's father. Alfie Allen does the same thing in his interview. If GRRM wants to keep R + L = J a mystery, he might want to tell the actors.
Edited by Maxpey, 07 June 2012 - 07:31 AM.