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  1. The end of an Era, New Clothes for Arya

    Since when does an actor's height have anything to do with roles they are offered or their popularity? Do you know how short Tom Cruise is in real life? Maisie has proven herself a very good actor and already has a role in some Dr. Who episodes if I recall. I'm sure her career is only going upward from here on out. I do find it hilarious how short Arya is compared to how incredibly tall Sansa has gotten. Sophie is a very tall and elegant woman now and the two young ladies are only a year apart in age, hehe.
  2. The end of an Era, New Clothes for Arya

    There's a great discussion called "So ... Jaqen H'qar" you could jump in as that question's been asked and is a good one... we're wondering if they will elect to cut out the face changing thing or not since it will be more difficult to do on screen than it was in the books where the reader uses their imagination of course. They show a beautiful costume and hair on Arya as Cat of the Canals on the cover of Entertainment Weekly which leads me to believe they are NOT going to have her change faces all the time.
  3. The end of an Era, New Clothes for Arya

    Everyone's seen Arya's awesome outfit on the cover of Entertainment Weekly right? I think the fact that their costumes don't change that much and are actually smelly in real life is pretty fitting for the time period the story takes place in, haha. :stillsick:
  4. Spoilers: For the Watch

    This is a very interesting fan theory I hadn't thought that far ahead on. In order for the scene to have the most impact, it would make sense for it to be members of the Night's Watch Jon trusted - and there aren't many of those left other than Sam since they never introduced many of the NW characters and killed off Pyp and Grenn. :(
  5. [Book Spoilers] EP407 Discussion

    I'm really surprised how critical some are being in this episode's feedback... stunned really. I thought the episode was phenomenal. Easily one of the best this season really... The depth of emotion in nearly all of the actors (except maybe Gregor Clegane and who cares, he's just a giant evil guy with a giant sword) - pretty much all were spot on perfect. Oberyn / Tyrion scene blew me away... I cried like a baby. I cried for baby Tyrion who knew nothing but torment his whole life from Cersei and pretty much everyone except his brother who protected him. I cried for Elia and her children and the horrific way they died. I cried for Oberyn - because his vengeance is so lost and wasted. :( ... The look of hope in Tyrion's eyes at that moment when Oberyn said he would be his champion. I cried for that lost hope. Every other scene was awesome too - even the weird Mel / Selyse scene. I liked the "Only Cat" scene even without the trademark two words being said - who cares, the moment was still very intense and well done. This whole episode seemed to be about relationships between two people who were somewhat adversary yet partnered by fate ... did anyone notice that? LOVED IT. I even loved Littlefinger, funny batman villain voice and all. I love him!
  6. [Book Spoilers] Jaime and Brienne Scenes

    haha love that one. Now I've got Passenger's "Let Her Go" stuck in my head for Jaime and Brienne. :crying: Aww someone actually made a GoT tribute montage with that song on youtube. Pretty good collection of people (and their love for one another) who we had to let go of forever ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Z4fAAJVgQ
  7. [Book Spoilers] Jaime and Brienne Scenes

    Every scene between Jaime and Brienne each season has been perfect and spot on. They really have the chemistry and subtlety down so well. Now that I've been watching the show for so long, I can't imagine Brienne looking the way George described her in the books at all. Gwendoline Christie has become Brienne in my mind. I know she's actually a beautiful woman (she knocked me out on the red carpet photos) and probably not what everyone imagined Brienne before the show, but I'm so so glad they chose her now. And of course Nicolai seems to have been born to play Jaime. *swoon* <3
  8. I've read all your arguments in this debate and find myself asking at the end: "So what would have been a 'justified' death for Joffrey?" In the line I quoted you on, you feel Arya showing up to exact justice against Joffrey would be ok. But like Oberyn's threats to avenge his sister's murder - is this 'justice' or 'vengeance?' ...fine line there. Tricky. Ok - so ... Are justification and justice even comparable regardless of having the same root word? No, you probably would say not. That's the sticky point of this debate. One might feel 'justified' to take the life of another ... but that's not the same as 'justice' - which as you already discussed, seems to imply law and order. But law and order is defined by the people who make those laws and enact the established order. The rules of Dothraki culture (and coincidentally the acceptance of death at a wedding) are obviously vastly different than the rules in Westeros culture - but still - they make their laws and order and they view it as justice or not. Joffrey's murderer felt justified in killing him for a number of reasons some of which are blatantly obvious and others which are maybe not so apparent yet. I do agree the Westeros standard of providing safety to guests at a wedding has been grievously disregarded on two occasions now. I disagree however that we should feel as outraged about it over Joffrey's death as we did Robb Stark's. The circumstances of the muderer's motivations are vastly different and there's just no way around it - Joffrey deserved it and Robb did not. As Sansa confessed, Joffrey was a monster. He would have grown worse as he matured, this is almost guaranteed. The atrocities and sadistic things he's done up to this point were inexcusable and horrific. Yes, I believe some people deserve to die more than others. That's it's own form of justice when it does happen.
  9. I had to go back and re-watch that scene where Olenna spoke to Sansa and fiddled with her hair ... then there it was, yep - she briefly fiddled with the necklace as well. Next cut to sansa's face, you see the missing gem on the right side by her collar bone and edge of her dress. Boom.
  10. It's true, Loras is quite good at the game and managed to remain popular because of his jousting skills and has oodles more personality than his elder male Tyrell counterparts. Perhaps the image of the older men being big oafs was just part of the rose illusion too, it's hard to tell with so few details about them given in the books. We have Lady Olenna's outspoken opinions and not much else. What's key important to me is that we're given some insight in these scenes that we did not get in the books. While yes, certain details and characters have been changed a lot, most of the major plots have remained true to writing. Sub-plots around them support alternative views, again, since we didn't have POV thoughts from many of the book characters. If Lady Olenna reveals that she thinks her late husband and son are idiots, then that's the opinion viewers are getting, leaving everyone to suspect her involvement because she herself admits she's 'far more interesting then the rest of them' and Margaery has already clearly displayed complete willingness to do whatever it takes to become Queen (from season 3 with Renly). Doing whatever it takes even risking her own brother's life, to appease an insanely dangerous boy king like Joffrey is definitely clear indication that assassination is not off the table for them at all.
  11. That is probably exactly the intentions. We may be reading too much into it - maybe it was just a simple scene to show she was capable of being more politcally savvy than Sansa who was innocent and victimized. I think the scene was far more complex then that and that's why I keep writing a lot about it. The forshadowing and predictions revealed are far better hints than we ever got in the books.
  12. Thank you Mladen and I agree - the scene could very well have played out similarly in the books if we'd had a POV from either characters. Margaery doesn't seem that scheming in in the book only because we only hear of her from other characters perspectives and they have no idea. It's not obvious until we hear through Sansa that the Tyrells are very crafty and clever at all (well the women are anyways). The writers of the series took this and ran with it flawlessly. [ Yes! Exactly. I think too many people missed the point that Joffrey very much already knew about Renly and Loras. He's lived at court all his life and he heard the usual gossip everyone else did. Why else would he already have plans to make it punishable by death if he hadn't already heard? To me, that scene is very much about Joffrey testing Margaery's loyalty and Margaery passing with flying colors (even though she's lying) ... so much so that by the end scene where he's holding her and the crossbow, we get to see just how deviant his sexual nature is - he's only turned on by sadistic controlled violence. Margaery knew this because of Sansa's confessions and knew how to play him. Olenna and Margaery already know at this point that it does not matter whether or not Joffrey is a monster or not because they're already making plans to eliminate him regardless so Margaery's support (lie) of Joffrey's desire to kill all 'degenerates' even if it includes her brother doesn't matter - she doesn't think he's really in any danger since they don't intend for Joffrey to remain king. By saying "Pity" and eye-rolling at the end of the luncheon with Sansa, viewers are clued in to the fact they don't really care if Joffrey's a bad king or a good king. They would prefer a kind hearted person, easier to manipulate (like the male Tyrells are apparently) but since he's not, they have to go another route to overcome the political obstacle.
  13. Give the scene a second watch, that's what I did. I tend to miss a lot the first time I watch an episode because I'm so excited to see everything happening all at once and how cool everything looks that I don't analyze it well until I watch it again with a more critical eye. On second watch, I have to admit, Joffrey's demeanor and extraordinarily dark sadistic lust was chilling. Give it another go!
  14. Oh well there I go, making assumptions - my apologies! Thank you! I haven't been on the forums here for a long while, and I'm happy to debate the merits of the show again this season. I'm a huge fan of the books, but I really do enjoy seeing how the writers of the show have interpreted and re-written a lot of scenes that weren't in the books but really do help the show version tell the story in a better way. I felt this scene between Margaery and Joffrey was one of the best to date because of how powerfully well done the exchange and play of emotions were. It's this level of character portrayal that made the books so gripping and I really do believe for the most part (with a few exceptions like Catlyn and maybe Littlefinger) all of the characters are being portrayed really spot on.
  15. Yay, I just did! The interwebs are difficult for reading sarcasm but since you said dissertation I have to suspect you were being sarcastic. Fortunately I'm able to remain glib in text because I will insert the obligatory smiley. :)