lidsa Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Now I want JonxArya to happen just to see the forum blow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satin fetch me a cock! Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I can only see the 1st page.. Does anyone have a link to the entire thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Stark-Targaryen Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The most important two line in the entire treatment is: "As you know, I don't outline my novels. I find that if I know exactly where a book is going, I lose all interest in writing it." This shows two things: 1) He admits he can lose complete interest in a writing project. This is something people have accused him of for years with ASOIAF. 2) He never connected the dots of how to get from point A to point B in the saga. Which is exactly why he had such a hard time going from ASOS to Books 4 & 5. I wonder if this comes from his background as a TV writer, where a lot of work is done collaboratively. If that's the case, if he's willing to work with a collaborator or two, he could very easily finish and release TWoW before April 2016, and then do a Hail Mary pass at getting ADoS out before the show ends. But this is his baby, so that's probably not going to happen. I'm not as upset with him as some, though. GRRM created one hell of a universe and characters that have millions of people invested. That's a huge accomplishment. Everything else is just details. The fun will be in the journeys -- both on screen and on the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alia of the knife Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The most important two line in the entire treatment is: "As you know, I don't outline my novels. I find that if I know exactly where a book is going, I lose all interest in writing it." This shows two things: 1) He admits he can lose complete interest in a writing project. This is something people have accused him of for years with ASOIAF. 2) He never connected the dots of how to get from point A to point B in the saga. Which is exactly why he had such a hard time going from ASOS to Books 4 & 5.But, despite the process, he's also said he wouldn't change anything regarding the endgame as he has been accused if anyone "figured it out." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynestorm Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I can only see the 1st page.. Does anyone have a link to the entire thing? Page one Page two Page three Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Snow Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm too freaked out to click the links or read too deep into this thread... What do I do?! I'm so curious, but I'm terrified of being over spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One And Only Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm too freaked out to click the links or read too deep into this thread... What do I do?! I'm so curious, but I'm terrified of being over spoiled. I was worried too and then decided to read it. I don't feel like it ruined much at all. Once you read the entire thing you quickly realize a lot has changed. So much that it has little effect on the current story. I did geta few tidbits that I think are minor spoilers but nothing that I hadn't already figured out already anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynestorm Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm too freaked out to click the links or read too deep into this thread... What do I do?! I'm so curious, but I'm terrified of being over spoiled. No worries. There are no spoilers in there. GRRM has changed the story so much from these that it is more of a fun comparative reading from what we already know in the current books to the original thought process. No words on how he wanted it to end either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summer Is Coming! Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 "The neverborn" what in the seven hells are they? The "neverborn" are the most interesting thing here, as they could still be introduced. Craster's sons maybe? The outline suggests that there are at least three tiers of the cold armies of the far North: the wights who are the dead raised back from the cold; the "neverborn" who are the cold creatures we saw in the Prologue of AGOT killing Ser Warmar Royce, getting killed by Sam in ASOS and are quite possibly Craster's sons; and the real Others, ancient Others, or First Others, the ones who ride spiders, have powers with ice, and who led the armies in the original Long Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Snow Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Well, you won't have to tell me again. If anyone needs me, I'll be ravenously reading through all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The Arya/Jon part actually is very Arthurian in terms of shadows of Arthur and Morgan Le Fay, so I still speculate that its not out of the question Good point, especially with the path Arya is currently on, getting into the black arts with the FM and becoming a bit of seductress as well. There's definitely some strong parallels with both, which is reason enough to think they'll continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Page one Page two Page three Thanks for that. I couldnt see shit in the OP. But what the hell is in the blacked out part? Im guessing thats stuff that might still happen and/or is relevant.... Sounds like a very basic outline for the story before he really began toiling at it. I kinda wish his original Dany plan (regarding Viserys) happened. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynestorm Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 But what the hell is in the blacked out part? Apparently the Reddit brigade is trying to find ways of eliminating the black lines. Seems pretty likely that they are hiding plot points that GRRM is still hoping to use though, or at least modify. I kinda wish his original Dany plan (regarding Viserys) happened. Oh well. I agree. Slashing down Drogo would've been awesome. Dany getting hunted by the Dothraki would've been much more entertaining as well. He should've had Jhogo follow her for at least a little while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The outline suggests that there are at least three tiers of the cold armies of the far North: the wights who are the dead raised back from the cold; the "neverborn" who are the cold creatures we saw in the Prologue of AGOT killing Ser Warmar Royce, getting killed by Sam in ASOS and are quite possibly Craster's sons; and the real Others, ancient Others, or First Others, the ones who ride spiders, have powers with ice, and who led the armies in the original Long Night. I can get behind this. Been arguing on and off with someone about whether or not the Others are Craster's sons, and I've been saying no to that idea throughout the argument. However, it wouldn't have to be the neverborn we met in AGoT. That could actually have been Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Apparently the Reddit brigade is trying to find ways of eliminating the black lines. Seems pretty likely that they are hiding plot points that GRRM is still hoping to use though, or at least modify. I agree. Slashing down Drogo would've been awesome. Dany getting hunted by the Dothraki would've been much more entertaining as well. He should've had Jhogo follow her for at least a little while. Imagine the shitstorm if they're able to get rid of the redaction. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynestorm Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Imagine the shitstorm if they're able to get rid of the redaction. :D Especially if it is a character death. They would go berserk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alia of the knife Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Good point, especially with the path Arya is currently on, getting into the black arts with the FM and becoming a bit of seductress as well. There's definitely some strong parallels with both, which is reason enough to think they'll continue.EXACTLY, my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grail King Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm a bit worried about ME <<<<<<<<<<<<< :frown5: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm a bit worried about ME <<<<<<<<<<<<< :frown5: I wouldn't worry about Sansa. It's obvious she's one of the characters (along with Jaime) who was pretty much completely rewritten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Snow Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Oh, man. That sure was something. Just look at how far we've come, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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