Lady Blackmont Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 He also said some creepy shit about the fall of night, I think he serves a higher power of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Let's not forget that it's not some clever prophecy, it's Euron talking to Victarion. So whatever he meant (and I've already said what I thought he meant), it had to be relatively simple and straightforward. If the "him" was intended as some meaningful message, or a deliberate mindfuck, or maybe some clever reference - it all was going to pass, unmolested by a single brain cell, through Vicky's head (as in fact it did). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungle Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 IF he's real, why would the Great Other care about that? A living child has no relevance when your army is composed of dead people. Furthermore, a son of Daenerys and Euron could be more of a threat to the Others than an ally. After all, the boy/girl would be a potential dragon rider, a son/daughter of fire. I agree with those who have said he was talking about himself, and that makes a lot of sense: he's egocentric and has some traits of madness. This point of view is a lot more acceptable than some crackpot theory. You know, we want all the things to be mind blowing (Preston Jacobs, can you hear me?), but sometimes simplest is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The drowned god was my interpretation That's my take on it, too. He is referring to the Iron King who sits the Seastone Chair (himself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The drowned god was my interpretation Euron is not a godly man. Not by Aeron Damphair standard. I would think the "him" is the Seastone Chair, or the Kraken god or monster it is representing. The Chair is a block of oily black stone. There are similar stones in Asshai and different seaside locations. Probably dedicated to the same Kraken god. Euron visited a lot of such places. And he really seems to know a lot about gods too: Who knows more of gods than I? Horse gods and fire gods, gods made of gold with gemstone eyes, gods carved of cedar wood, gods chiseled into mountains, gods of empty air ... I know them all. I have seen their peoples garland them with flowers, and shed the blood of goats and bulls and children in their names. And I have heard the prayers, in half a hundred tongues. So Euron would have a master after all. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evita mgfs Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Euron convo (Feast): "Baseborn mongrels, born of whores and weepers." "They are of your body." "So are the contents of my chamber pot. None is fit to sit the Seastone Chair, much less the Iron Throne. No, to make an heir that's worthy of him, I need a different woman. When the kraken weds the dragon, brother, let all the world beware." So, who is 'Him'? The Great Other, as suggested by Preston Jacobs? Or is it just Balon? Hello - I will now annoy you with a grammar lesson! Him has no antecedent in the sentences provided - the closest thing to an antecedent is NONE, and HIM would work as NONE takes a singular pronoun referent. Does that make sense? Can you provide a page number for the quote? I will read backwards to see if Euron mentions a possible antecedent in earlier dialogue. Now - if we cannot find an appropriate antecedent - then Martin may be doing another "on-purpose" confusing pronoun reference. :devil: Let me ask all of you scholars, does Martin capitalize Great Other? "Him" appears to be lower case - and I cannot recall how Martin addresses "great other"? But if Martin does use caps for GO, then I am sure "Him" would have been capitalized. I hope I have helped somewhat - or maybe just muddied the waters even more! :crying: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePromiseThatWasAPrince Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Euron convo (Feast): "Baseborn mongrels, born of whores and weepers." "They are of your body." "So are the contents of my chamber pot. None is fit to sit the Seastone Chair, much less the Iron Throne. No, to make an heir that's worthy of him, I need a different woman. When the kraken weds the dragon, brother, let all the world beware." So, who is 'Him'? The Great Other, as suggested by Preston Jacobs? Or is it just Balon? It would really help if we had the rest of the convo...... But, maybe he is, like others have said, referring to himself. Kinda like the Dude from the Big Lebowski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Talking of himself in the third person would make no sense because he switched to "i" in the very same sentence. Had he used the third person, he would have said "he needs a different woman". So we have to look somewhere else. The Great Other or someone of that sort is as likely as anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePromiseThatWasAPrince Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 So, maybe we need to rest of the conversation to dissect it a little more thouroughly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 We know that he is interested in the High Tower and maybe an enemy of the citadel- he wants to "leap from a high tower". High tower= Hightower, probably referring to the building rather than the house. But I think we have to wait for wow to know more about his plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Sister Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 If he were referring to a diety the H in "him" would be capitalized.I do not subscribe to the theories that there are humans in consort with the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nights Kings Queen Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Guys, guys, guys, I think I got the answer.Euron is so obviously Bran right? I mean, he like said jumping and towers and leaping. Bran fell from a tower! Ok, so now that that's confirmed (because you know bran can time travel) HIM = Bloodraven!!!!!!Whenever you're stuck on a question about ASoIaF, just link it back to bloodraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraculaAD1972 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 He's talking about his future self, 'him' is the king on the IT that he intends to become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOne-EyedHound Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Maybe he's talking about the baby himself? But, I'm one that believes Euron is The Great Other's champion. Dany's biggest threat can't just be competitor to the Iron Throne can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connartist92 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Could it be The Seastone Chair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyrocks6969 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Could it be The Seastone Chair? I think it's Stanley Baratheon's chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 If he were referring to a diety the H in "him" would be capitalized. I do not subscribe to the theories that there are humans in consort with the Others. The Great Other isn't necessarily a god, he could easily just mean the entity that rules the Others, similiar to the Nights King in the show. Great Other is just a place holder name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiasyd Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 There is a theory in which its stated that Euron is being influenced by the three-eyed crow. I'm sorry, I don't know the author of this theory, but it is based on Euron's ramblings about flying, tower, etc. and his parallels with Bran and Bloodraven. If this theory is true, or even partially true, "Him" might very well be Bloodraven... Of course, even if it is Bloodraven, another question that follows is if Euron is aware that "him" is Bloodraven, or if he assigns "him" to some other entity, as Bran did before meeting the source of his visions. So, what I'm saying, is that Euron may erroneously mean the drowned god, the great other, or even the storm lord, and actually be referring to Bloodraven without truly knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sharya Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Him = The Drowned God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahai Ahoy Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 I've now realised after re-reading and looking back a little earlier that he is highly likely referring to himself. Not 100% though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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