Carter209 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I don't know if this has been done before, and if it has go ahead and delete this topic, but I'll give it a go anyway. Characters that can be involved should be restricted to those alive at the beginning of AGOT. Plus I might leave out a position or two on the Small Council, so if I do please let me know.Please note: vows for the Kingsguard don't matter. I know this wouldn't be extremely legit, but just for the sake of fun. So, to start off with Hand of the King; Tywin Lannister: The man knows how to run a kingdom, that's for sure.Small Council:Littlefinger-Treasurer, hopefully Tywin could keep him(relatively) in lineVictarion Greyjoy-Master of Ships, only been beaten once, and that was by Stannis. However, I'll take Victarion over Stannis anyday.Varys-Master of Whisperers, the guy knows his stuffStannis Baratheon-Justicar, does not hear excuses or praises of good deeds(see Davos).Grand Maester-Maester Luwin, besides Aemon he seems to be the best Maester we have seen so farKingsguard:Barristan the Bold-Lord Commander,still the best fighter in the kingdomBlackfish-kept Robb afloat during the War of the Five KingsJaime Lannister-one or two-handed doesn't matter, knows his way around a battlefieldSandor Clegane-may have disgraced the White Cloak in ACoK, but still I will take himGarlan Tyrell-way better swordsman than his brotherGreatjon-big, scary dude. Seems to be able to use that size well tooRed Viper-knows how to wield a spear, and could have killed the Mountain, which is impressive.EDIT: Forgot the Grand Maester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liadin Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Garlan Tyrell-way better swordsman than his brotherGreatjon-big, scary dude. Seems to be able to use that size well tooRed Viper-knows how to wield a spear, and could have killed the Mountain, which is impressive.Good luck getting that bunch to renounce their lands and sexual encounters. (Especially Oberyn and sex.... not a chance.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I think that Oberyn can break a vow just like any other man. Unless you're saying that he's inferior to Ser Boros Blount... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I don't think anybody actually renounces sex, just marriage and children. Except for Arys, and we all saw how well that worked out for him. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 You know, I think that the Kingsguard would be more effective if they were more honest. It seems like, instead of getting the best knights, they either get incompetent cronies looking for cushy sinecures, second- and third-born sons nominated to get rid of them rather than because of talent, and Balon Swann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liadin Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Oberyn's too promiscuous to even pretend, though. Plus, renouncing children wouldn't work too well with his habit of claiming all his bastards.Plus, keeping the same mistress through a decade or more and 4 children says something. He might like his whores, but that's not all he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Oberyn's too promiscuous to even pretend, though. Who does pretend, though? The Hound openly visits whores, Ser Preston Greenfield was sleeping with a married woman and all his brothers knew it, Jaime was banging the queen and fathered her children and that was semi-public knowledge (and now is public), Ser Boros Blount visited whores openly as well IIRC, Loras is known to be homosexual, etc.Selmy and Balon Swann seem to put up a decent job of pretending, now that I think of it. But pretending to chastity doesn't even seem to be a requirement of the job. Even historical Kingsguard slept around and not much happened without extenuating circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter209 Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 I was just throwing together what I would have my ruling government be and who I would have as protectors. I know this would never happen due to the vows, but hey it's just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Attempting to achieve political balance, with a Kingsguard that is reasonably possible...King: Stannis BaratheonHand: Tywin LannisterGrand Maester: Maester CressenMaster of Coin: Tyrion LannisterMaster of Laws: Roose BoltonMaster of Ships: Davos SeaworthMaster of Whispers: Olenna TyrellKingsguard: Barristan Selmy (Lord Commander)Loras TyrellQuentyn Martell (*cough*political hostage*cough*)Balon SwannBrynden TullyBrienne of TarthRobar Royce(If Victarion Greyjoy were culturally appropriate, I'd swap him in for Royce. As it is, he's too culturally alien to accept the role). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palemantle Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 The 'best' kingsguard will depend, atleast to some extent, on who's doing the ruling, no? I can't see a Martell being a particularly good KG when, say, Cersei is lording over KL. What timeline are we looking at? End of AFfC?Also, you might want some blokes who will be willing to get in line and actually ... serve. That might rule some badasses (Red Viper for one) out right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 The 'best' kingsguard will depend, atleast to some extent, on who's doing the ruling, no? I can't see a Martell being a particularly good KG when, say, Cersei is lording over KL. What timeline are we looking at? End of AFfC?Timeline's start of AGOT. So Ned's OK, but no Rhaegar/Arthur Dayne, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicK Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Hand Of The King: Ned StarkGrand Maester: Maester PylosMaster of Coin: Tyrion LannisterMaster of Laws: Randyll TarlyMaster of Ships: Stannis BaratheonMaster of Whispers: Lord VarysKingsguard: Barristan Selmy (Lord Commander)Loras TyrellBalon SwannLyn CorbrayJory CasselAdam MarbrandPatrek MalisterQuite happy with my kingsguard ^^ Malister was only because his father is a badass and im sure he will be in later books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerAwesome Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 this is pretty cool. its like making an all star teamSmall CouncilHand: Eddard Stark(he would of been a good hand if he wasnt accused of treason)Grand Maester: Maester Aemon Master of Coin: Tywin Lannister (coz he shits gold)Master of Ships: Asha GreyjoyMaster of Whispers: Olenna Tyrell(agree with pet leech, varys is very untrust worthy)Captain of the Gold cloaks: Randyll TarlyKingsguard: Barristan Selmy (Lord Commander)Jamie LannisterLoras TyrellGregor Cleagan Brynden TullyBrienne of TarthGhost (his white and a dire wolf that does damage)if i cnt hav ghost il have to put the red viper in aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaeSuse Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 !!!THE DREAM TEAM!!!(I went with what I'd like at the end of the book, and didn't use any character's GRRM has already killed off)Queen : Daenarys Targ-aryenQueen's Justice : Arya StarkQueen's Hand : Arianne MartellGrandMaester : Sarella SandMaster of Coin : Illyrio Mopatis Master of Ships : Victarion GreyjoyMaster of Laws : <shrug>Master of Whispers : Varys (sigh)Lord Commander of the Night Watch : Jon SnowMaester of the Night Watch : Samwell TarlyQueensGuard (most unconventional, ever): Barristan Selmy (Lord Commander)Strong BelwasLoras TyrellBrienne Tarth+all 3 of Dany's KhalesarLeader of BwB: Rickon Stark and Shaggydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolorouseddwasright Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 My hand would be Tywin Lannister. He has the experience and the intelligence. Big asset for me, if I don't piss him off.Small Council:Tyrion as Master of Coin (may not sh*t gold like daddy but he does know how to get things done and is more trustworthy than Littlefinger)Lord Redwyne as Master of Ships. He has a large fleet himself and I can always have other battle commanders if I find him more useful for administrative duties.Ned as Master of Laws. First thing he gets to do is give Littlefinger the chop. And since he believes the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade I save some money on an executioner. Tyrion will be pleased with my financial acumen.Maester Luwin, because I like him and he is honest.Kingsguard:Ser Barristan Selm as Lord CommanderThe BlackfishGarlan TyrellAreo HotahDolorous Edd (the man's a survivor)Syrio ForelJaquen Hgharr (who better to stop an assassin than an assassin?)Can't believe I forgot Master of Whispers. I want Verys for the nonce. But I want him training Samwell Tarly. We replace the Spider with the Slayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 King: Ned StarkMy hand would be Littlefinger, with ned as king he'd be held back from doing anything outrageously sneakySmall Council:Illyrio as Master of CoinStannis as Master of Ships. Roose Bolton as Master of Laws-to scare the crap out of everyoneTyrion needs a spot somewhere but I cant recall any more positionsKingsguard:Randyll Tarly as Lord CommanderThe BlackfishGarlan TyrellBronze YohnSandor CleganeSyrio ForelJaime Lannister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball07 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Hand: Tywin LannisterGrand Maester: Maester Aemon Master of Coin: Littlefinger (He makes too much money not to have him)Master of Laws: Tyrion LannisterMaster of Ships: Davos SeaworthMaster of Whispers: Varys (Again, his experience is vital)Kingsguard: (Well getting unmarried people is quitehard but...)Areo Hotah (Lord Commander) (Totally loyal and seems like a good leader)Sandor Clegane (As long as he's not near fire, should be ok)Balon Swann (Perfect KG almost)Addam Marbrand (I'm not sure if he's married, but a good knight)Barristan Selmy (I'd have him as LC if not for Areo being class)Andrik the Unsmiling (May be an Ironborn but they can be loyal and he's supposed to be even better than Victarion)Syrio Forel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Lepus Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 -King: Edmure Tully. Yes, the guy is not the greatest general, but he is honorable and good natured; the rest of the team could do most of the nasty work. and he would watch them so the people was well treated.-Queen: Margarey Tyrell. After being subject to a forty days long exorcism to make sure she stops being such a hunsband-killing jinx. She is smart, and knows how to play the role of royal consort better than anybody else.-Hand of the King: Stannis. Makes the perfect counterbalance for Edmure good nature, will deal with the enemies and conspirators, and will have the damn work done.-Master of Laws: Eddard Stark. He will see that justice is fairly dispensed, and will never be corrupted or blackmailed.-Master of Coin: Lady Alyse Ladybright, currently treasurer of Doran Martell; I don´t know anything of her but her job, but any woman who manages to claw her way up to her place despite the prejudice must be a genius. Littlefinger may be better, but in my ideal Westeros he would be too dead for the job.-Master of Whispers: Tyrion. He is cunning enough to do the job, and is loyal enough to his friends. Varys and Bloodraven would both do the job even better, but I wouldn´t trust Varys, and Bloodraven is kind of...attached to a tree.-Master of Ships: Davos Seaworth. Salladhor Saan, Asha Greyjoy or Victarion Greyjoy may be better admirals, but lets face it, Victarion is as wise as a sack of bricks and is loyal only to his family and the Iron Islands, Asha would become ambitious and try to use the power for her own benefit, and Salla would clean the treasury and escape to Lys; Davos is wise, sensible and honest, too good to not be used.-Great Maester: Cressen (late maester of Stannis); wise, and literally loyal to death; there is no other better for the job.-Great Septon: Meribald. A wise, honest, hard-working, generous true believer; and since he can´t read or write, he won´t be distracted by minute details of doctrine and will focus on improving the commoner´s life.-Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Barristan Selmy. Will serve loyally a noble and good king.-Kingsguard 2: The Blackfish. Yes, I´m picking experience and wisdom over brawn; I need commanders.-Kingsguard 3: Areo Hotah. Born for the job.-Kingsguard 4: Loras Tyrell. He won´t marry anyway, and he is a damn good knight who will protect his sister, nephews and nieces to death.-Kingsguard 5: Balon Swann. A truly fine knight.-Kingsguard 6: Arys Oakheart. Good enough with a sword, though it may be necessary to keep an eye on the women he meets.-Kingsguard 7: Brienne. Good enough with a sword, and loyal to death.-King´s Justice: Sandor Clegane. But I would try to make his job more prestigious. I would often send him to hunt criminals and robber knights (no sense wasting such a fine warrior watching prisoners and beheading criminals).-Master of Arms of the Red Fortress: Ser Garland Tyrell would be just the best for the job, but he may not want to take that post, being the second son of great lord and all.-Captain of the Golden Cloaks: Cotter Pyke. I would bring him from the Wall and tell him to turn those pansies golden cloaks into a true fighting force; also, he would know how to deal with the scum that makes most of the candidates to the guard in King´s Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candor Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Woot, always wanted to be a queen ;)Queen Candace, the First of Her Name, .........I won't go on.King Consort: Jon (Targaryen/Snow) - Need someone at my side who I can respect and who is helpful in a ruling position. Doesn't hurt that he's loyal, and at least, we could be friends.Hand Of The Queen: Davos Seaworth. He just has a good head on his shoulders, and a varied perspective from the nobles because of his upbringing. He also is very loyal and trustworthy. Someone I can count on.Queensguard:---Jaime Lannister---Barristan Selmy---Sandor Clegane---Oberyn Martell---Brienne of Tarth---Jorah Mormont---Loras TyrellLord Commander being Barristan Selmy. Persons chosen for loyalty and ability. I'd throw out that celibacy etc vow.Master of Laws: Stannis Baratheon - who is more clear cut just and can look without bias?Master of Whispers: Varys, untrustworthy, but the best at this sort of thing, which is important.Master of Coin: Tyrion Lannister - skills.Mistress of Ships: Asha Greyjoy - for obvious skills.*new* Foreign Ambassador: Daenerys Targareyn - she's good at the culture chameleon thing.Queen's Justice: Ned Stark - mmhmm.Grand Maester: Aemon TargaryenHigh Septon: The Elder Brother from the Quiet Isle. My kind of religious guy.LC of Night's Watch: Brynden Tully - seems made for it.Warden of the North: Bran StarkWarden of the East: Bronze Yohn RoyceWarden of the West: Myrcella LannisterWarden of the South: Willas Tyrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in the South Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 If I was King I would abolosh the Kingsguard because it's a terrible concept overall and simply give myself a large bodyguard.Hand: Tywin, but I'd buy off his son to keep a close eye on himLaws: Ned, he might be stupid, but if I could keep him and the Lannisters on the same side I think he could do great.Navy: Stannis, most sucessful naval commander, etc. Guys like Redwyne don't actually strike me as being smart military commanders, they just have a big navy.Coin: Tyrion, LF is just too untrustworthy.Whispers: Qyburn, yeah he's a freak, but I feel like Varys would kill me after a while. QB actually seems kind of loyal.Grand Maester: Samwell Tarly, aww yeahHigh Septon: Meribald!King's Justice: Sir Jaime Lannister, having been most unfortuneately castrated in the year 303 in a freak hunting accident.Envoy: Davos <3LC of Night's Watch: Brynden or Jeor, can't sayWife: Cersei Lannisters. What?! Yeah thats right. I honestly feel a huge reason she's a psycho is because of her relationship with Robert. But what about Jaime you ask? Let me just tell you, if I was in a fantasy series I would put Rhaegar to shame. Plus with Cersei as my wife I assure Tywin's loyalty, and that would help a lot.Backup wifes: Arianne, Dany, and Val. Maybe a Sandsnake or two.edit: forgot a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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