Zephyr Winters Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Brienne and house in general. The origin of house Tarth is minimally discussed, but why hasn't anyone given thought to the features of this house? Straw-colored hair is pretty much a combination of silver and blonde hair if you care to compare the colors. GRRM actually allows us easy identifying features for the different families - Targs having silver hair and purple eyes, Lannisters having blonde hair, Starks having brown/black hair, etc. The location of the is what convinced me further, they are located in the Stormlands, in an island that would be easil accessibly by the Dornish. We already know that in Dorne there exist the Martells, which do have Targaryen blood. It is said that when a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss up a coin, that the child will be either completely mad or great/strong/honorable. Brienne would be the latter wouldn't you agree? GRRM also likes to play with words, in an interview he mentioned how he was surprised nobody had figured out the identify of someone whom he had just changed the letters of the name (forgot which one that was), so we know he leaves clues with more than just your traditional symbolism. Tar=Tar? It would be at least plausible that they have as much Targaryen blood as the Dayne's, I think. I am looking for quotes you may have that would prove my theory, if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Why does everyone always have to have Targaryen blood? Why can't it ever be Stark blood or Baratheon blood? :bawl: However, I guess it's possible she could have a Tarh ancestor somewhere but it doesn't really matter to her character or current family name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Oh hadn't you heard? Everyone is a secret Targ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Why does everyone always have to have Targaryen blood? Why can't it ever be Stark blood or Baratheon blood? :bawl:True. And I think in a few years we'll find out there are more Baratheons in the whole Westeros than any other House, robert, you dawg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Oh hadn't you heard? Everyone is a secret Targ. And I thought it was the Freys that breed like rats....erm weasels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Could have? Rather 99% have. The Targaryens spent 300 years in Westeros, marrying noble families from all over the continent, who in turn married other noble families (and a lot of bastards).Counting the Houses without Targ blood would be easier. Furthermore, Tarth is a primary Lordship sworn to Storms End, And Lord Orys Baratheon had Targ blood himself. The Baratheons never sending a bride to Tarth? Very, very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yes, she could. So could any other character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Daynes have no Targ blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 And I thought it was the Freys that breed like rats....erm weasels. I believe it is just one Walder Frey. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Winters Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Daynes have no Targ blood. But what about Gerold Dayne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleRickon Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 GRRM also likes to play with words, in an interview he mentioned how he was surprised nobody had figured out the identify of someone whom he had just changed the letters of the name (forgot which one that was), so we know he leaves clues with more than just your traditional symbolism. Tar=Tar? It would be at least plausible that they have as much Targaryen blood as the Dayne's, I think. I am looking for quotes you may have that would prove my theory, if you will. I think you might have hit the nail on the head with this one, seeing as I seem to recall the Dayne's don't have any (particular) Targaryen blood. Just checked the wiki page and it doesn't mention any Targ connection, in fact, their name comes up a lot when dicsussing Targ heritage as an example of how one can look like a Targ without being one. edit: ninja'd 3 posts ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose Seal Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 If all the clues are to be believed, she is a descendant of Duncan the Tallwho was a commoner.So it seems unlikely that she has Targ blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 But what about Gerold Dayne?What about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Winters Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 What about him? Silver hair. And what about that other one who thought he could tame a dragon because he supposedly had Targaryen blood? The one that was burned and killed for not paying attention to the other dragon in the cage. Been a while since I read so I can't specify the name. EDIT: Ok that was Quentyn I think, a Martell, but still I could use the same argument with the Martells as I did with the Daynes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Silver hair. And what about that other one who thought he could tame a dragon because he supposedly had Targaryen blood? The one that was burned and killed for not paying attention to the other dragon in the cage. Been a while since I read so I can't specify the name.Daynes have valyrian coloring but are a First Men house, there is no connection to Targs except similar hair and eyes due to valyrian/proto-valyrian descent.The one that was burned was a Martell, the ruling house of Dorne, not a Dayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 If all the clues are to be believed, she is a descendant of Duncan the Tallwho was a commoner.So it seems unlikely that she has Targ blood.Given that Dunk lived eighty years ago, that leaves 63 other ancestors living at the same time period. None of them a Targ? Maybe. At Aegon's time, that would be 65,536 ancestors. Still none of them a Targ? Unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Pedant Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 It is possible, maybe even mathematically likely. Will it be relevant for the story? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Duelist Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 For fuck's sake, stop it with the secret Targs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Given that Dunk lived eighty years ago, that leaves 63 other ancestors living at the same time period. None of them a Targ? Maybe. At Aegon's time, that would be 65,536 ancestors. Still none of them a Targ? Unlikely.You have interesting math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 You have interesting math. Well, excluding incest of course. is it still incest after 15 generations? And assuming the same generation, which won't happen as well. But it serves to illustrate the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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