Batman Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I need an Al Swearengen fix... The semi-invented English he uses is as good as anything ever. I'd say only Firefly comes close. Joss Whedon dialogue in general is usually a slam dunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 What are the members of the cast supposed to say? "The dialogue sucks, but they pay me a lot, so I don't mind." Come on. That person would have my undying respect if he ripped on that or the sexposition/gratuitous nudity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 That person would have my undying respect if he ripped on that or the sexposition/gratuitous nudity. Stephen Dillane is your man then! :love: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Whores Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Stephen Dillane is your man then! :love: Lol yeah, didn't he say that it reminded him of German porn or something? :Lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Stephen Dillane is your man then! :love: Lol yeah, didn't he say that it reminded him of German porn or something? :lol: As if I needed more reason to love that guy. That is integrity, to tell it how it is, even if you risk losing a paycheck. You have Charles Dance and you're wasting your time on some random nudity? Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 As if I needed more reason to love that guy. That is integrity, to tell it how it is, even if you risk losing a paycheck. You have Charles Dance and you're wasting your time on some random nudity? Pathetic. To be honest, these nudity objections are just hilariously over the top. How much screentime is devoted to it? A few minutes a season? It's a convenient criticism that sounds cool and all, but misses the mark. Especially if one stops to consider the source material that is just as "raunchy", if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 To be honest, these nudity objections are just hilariously over the top. How much screentime is devoted to it? A few minutes a season? It's a convenient criticism that sounds cool and all, but misses the mark. Especially if one stops to consider the source material that is just as "raunchy", if not more. The Books were raunchy but its not the same. Its mostly actual characters going at it, not random porn stars without any story. As far as time goes, you may be right (although the Roz scenes felt like they went forever). To me it feels like it derails the narrative. Its distracting in the middle of the show to just throw a couple of minutes of T and A into the mix and then get back to the story. When was the last time you saw a GOT interview where the sex was not mentioned? Either have a legit reason for it or don't do it at all. It is lazy and feels like its done for marketing more than anything else. If I wanted to see porn I would head for the internet. In a show where there are so many characters and story arcs, every minute counts. Why are you wasting it on pointless nudity? Dany and Ygritte have had scenes that were well done and fit well into the story, but there is a lot that is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesemir Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Lol yeah, didn't he say that it reminded him of German porn or something? :lol: :D Where did he say that? Do you have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Whores Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 :D Where did he say that? Do you have a link? http://www.blastr.com/2014-1-16/why-stephen-dillane-not-crazy-about-all-game-thrones-nudity [On the sex and nudity]: “It doesn’t particularly appeal to me, reminds me of German porn from the 1970s. But I presume it serves a purpose, and the merits of the show far outweigh my concerns on that score.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 http://www.blastr.com/2014-1-16/why-stephen-dillane-not-crazy-about-all-game-thrones-nudity He's so Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 To be honest, these nudity objections are just hilariously over the top. How much screentime is devoted to it? A few minutes a season? It's a convenient criticism that sounds cool and all, but misses the mark. Especially if one stops to consider the source material that is just as "raunchy", if not more. It more averages out at like a couple of minutes per episode as there's a sex scene in almost every one. I think someone did the math and it came to about 15 minutes per season or something like that. Which initially doesn't seem like much until you consider that: a.) that's over a quarter of an episode and: b.) scenes are usually 2-3 minutes anyway and yet a lot can be packed in to the short amount of time. 5-8 extra scenes is quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 When was the last time you saw a GOT interview where the sex was not mentioned? That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's much ado about nothing where a bunch of people get all huffed and puffed over several minutes of screentime. Don't get me wrong - it's perfectly legitimate not to like this stuff, but the way everyone talks about gratuitous nudity all the time, you'd think each episode has half an hour of non-stop hardcore porn. It's an easy position to fall back on: whenever someone doesn't like something, hey, it's that gratuitous show with T&A. It's disingenuous. Either have a legit reason for it or don't do it at all. Thing is a large portion of nude scenes were serving plot and characters. Jon & Ygritte, as you mentioned, but many others as well. The only truly "gratuitous" (I hate that word) additions were Littlefinger brothel scenes in S1 (ease into it...), S2 (that over the top stuff with multiple peeping) and S3 (Pod's three whores). There are some others you could say are neither here nor there (Mel's leeches, for example), but those still have independent narrative purpose and nudity is just a "bonus" :devil: . Anyway, to make such noise over some 15 or however many minutes spread over 30 episodes... it's silly. As I said, cheap shots given much more prominence then the actual situation warrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Whores Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Anyway, to make such noise over some 15 or however many minutes spread over 30 episodes... it's silly. As I said, cheap shots given much more prominence then the actual situation warrants. Yeah, compared to Spartacus, which has like 15 minutes of sex and nudity each episode, it's really not that much :Lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 It more averages out at like a couple of minutes per episode as there's a sex scene in almost every one. I think someone did the math and it came to about 15 minutes per season or something like that. Which initially doesn't seem like much until you consider that: a.) that's over a quarter of an episode and: b.) scenes are usually 2-3 minutes anyway and yet a lot can be packed in to the short amount of time. 5-8 extra scenes is quite a lot. Not really an honest representation of events. How many of those minutes have actual narrative importance? For example, Ygritte and Jon, Dany standing up naked in front of Daario (a fantastic scene showcasing Dany's power and fearlessness), and others. How many more are there just as a side show (gratuitous or not; I'll leave that for individual viewers to decide for themselves) while the main point of the scene is still there, taking up minutes all the same - e.g. Renly/Margaery/Loras, Viserys/Doreah, and many others. I'd even say that Theon scenes that seem unnecessary - with Ros, the captain's daughter - actually serve a particular purpose, namely to show that Theon reeeealy loves to have sex, which is a very important part of his later... ahem... developments. It's not fair nor is it helpful to simply throw all the scenes in one big unrecognisable pile and say - yup, XYZ minutes of porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Yeah, compared to Spartacus, which has like 15 minutes of sex and nudity each episode, it's really not that much :lol: Yeah STARZ Spartacus makes GOT look like a Lawrence Welk show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 http://www.blastr.com/2014-1-16/why-stephen-dillane-not-crazy-about-all-game-thrones-nudity It does not surprisse me that there was or still is German porn production.... but here in the USA I only remember all the stuff that came out of Los Angles and Los Vegas in the 1970's. Tho I do remember seeing some Italian porn during the 1970's. (And I don't just mean Tinto Brass and Bob Guccione's Caligula.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Desmond Wine's Bane Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Dany standing up naked in front of Daario (a fantastic scene showcasing Dany's power and fearlessness), Not to mention Daario on his knees in front of her at the end of the scene demonstrating a shift in power. A truly beautiful scene on so many levels. The fact many people either react to it with ZOMG Bewbs or ZOMG nudity *rage* is just really sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Not really an honest representation of events. How many of those minutes have actual narrative importance? For example, Ygritte and Jon, Dany standing up naked in front of Daario (a fantastic scene showcasing Dany's power and fearlessness), and others. How many more are there just as a side show (gratuitous or not; I'll leave that for individual viewers to decide for themselves) while the main point of the scene is still there, taking up minutes all the same - e.g. Renly/Margaery/Loras, Viserys/Doreah, and many others. I'd even say that Theon scenes that seem unnecessary - with Ros, the captain's daughter - actually serve a particular purpose, namely to show that Theon reeeealy loves to have sex, which is a very important part of his later... ahem... developments. It's not fair nor is it helpful to simply throw all the scenes in one big unrecognisable pile and say - yup, XYZ minutes of porn. No that's not fair, but I was simply quickly generalising. Obviously a more in-depth analysis would require going through each of the sex scenes and determining which are useful and which aren't. Of course I'd still say that most of the sex is of the fanservice variety rather than the plot furthering variety so the my margin of error of 3 scenes seems reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frumpus Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 To be honest, these nudity objections are just hilariously over the top. How much screentime is devoted to it? A few minutes a season? It's a convenient criticism that sounds cool and all, but misses the mark. Especially if one stops to consider the source material that is just as "raunchy", if not more. He's not actually objecting to it, geez. If you read the article, he basically says he's too old to care for it. That's not the same thing as objecting to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknownothingjonsnow Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 He's not actually objecting to it, geez. If you read the article, he basically says he's too old to care for it. That's not the same thing as objecting to it. Expressing dislike for something is objecting to it, Funk & Wagnalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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