The Marquis de Leech Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Early results look good for the UKIP - they're now causing Labour headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ser piggy of horn hill Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 i dont know much about politics, but if ukip win the full election next year, i will consider leaving the uk... cant live under such people..... do you guys think its possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 No. The best possible result for UKIP would give them a handful of Westminster seats, allowing them to possibly be a player in a Hung Parliament situation (I can see them getting concessions out of the Tories, less so Labour). First Past the Post isn't friendly to small parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummel Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 ...I don't get how people can switch from Lib Dem to UKIP - what kind of values do they have? Or are they just voting anti-main-parties? *psychology fail* If you are an economic liberal, free market, flat tax type then why not? I too was surprised by the range of far right/anti-EU parties on the South-East region ballot. Really all varieties of anti-EU sentiment catered for. I'm surprised that so many parties were putting up ten candidates though - maybe the cost should be upped progressively to discourage the chancers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 If you are an economic liberal, free market, flat tax type then why not? I don't think anyone votes UKIP for tax reasons. Apparently there is a strong correlation between UKIP performance in this election and areas of school underperformance. Make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I was quoting a tweet from the Guardian's running online coverage (the tweet being done by one of Michael Gove's former advisors). Have no idea of its accuracy, hence the "apparently" qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I don't think anyone votes UKIP for tax reasons. Apparently there is a strong correlation between UKIP performance in this election and areas of school underperformance. Make of that what you will. Their own spokesman came out today and said they did worse in London because it's "more educated, cultural and younger". So basically UKIP voters are thick and/or old people. Quelle surprise. The unstoppable rise of UKIP to a grand total of zero councils controlled and zero mps continues unabated. When will it end? In other news, Labour making some decent gains, especially in "educated, cultural" London, but with perhaps an underwhelming overall performance. The coalition forces have taken a bit of a beating. Not sure if that's because they're awful shitheads or whether it's just a normal swing for a governing party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Government losses at this time in a Parliament would normally be far, far worse, and the main opposition would be doing far, far better. If I were Miliband, I'd be very worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 There's no politics like anti-politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Government losses at this time in a Parliament would normally be far, far worse, and the main opposition would be doing far, far better. If I were Miliband, I'd be very worried. Notice you didn't refute the claim that the coalition are awful shitheads. Glad we're on the same page ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I don't think Milliband necessarily needs to be worried - this is an unpopular government, but discontent is simply more widely spread than normal, so the opposition vote isn't coalescing around the Opposition. I think at this point, a narrow Labour majority or a Hung Parliament with Labour as the largest party is a pretty likely possibility, so Milliband (probably) still winds up Prime Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I didn't think it was worth the trouble. I should have touched on the claim that because UKIP does well in areas that have lower educational attainment levels, they are only supported by stupid people, though. Presumably you think that as the same holds true for Labour that the same conclusion can be drawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I don't think Milliband necessarily needs to be worried - this is an unpopular government, but discontent is simply more widely spread than normal, so the opposition vote isn't coalescing around the Opposition. I think at this point, a narrow Labour majority or a Hung Parliament with Labour as the largest party is a pretty likely possibility, so Milliband (probably) still winds up Prime Minister. Well, as Labour has an inbuilt electoral advantage of circa 50 seats, you may well be right. The government's support tends to rise from its midterm lows as the general election looms, though, so I still say he will be worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I didn't think it was worth the trouble. I should have touched on the claim that because UKIP does well in areas that have lower educational attainment levels, they are only supported by stupid people, though. Presumably you think that as the same holds true for Labour that the same conclusion can be drawn. Soz, I thought the lighthearted tone of my post came through, but I guess not. Have absoutely no interest in fighting about UKIP tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Sorry, had a tough week. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Sorry, had a tough week. :) ha, me too! For the record, I don't think people who vote UKIP (or Labour for that matter) are thick inherently. I think the thing which gets lost a lot is that many people vote UKIP because, though Europe seems a very, very long way away from their day to day lives, so does London. Neither of them are places that people in, say, Sunderland, can relate to really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummel Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I would imagine that Labour are worried, they've made media headway with the squeezed middle and cost of living crisis as issues yet the polls have been drawing closer. The polling for the governing party generally improves slightly just before a general election, but not as early as this. If you subscribe to a governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them view point then you are stuck trying to capitalise on the governments mistakes. The government doesn't look particularly good, but then perhaps because its a coalition the effects of negative publicity might be being diffused with Tory or LibDem voters tended to blame the coalition partner rather than become disenchanted with their own party, certainly looking at the polls the LibDems seem to be suffering more than the Torys. It looks at this stage like another close election, possibly another hung parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usotsuki Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Or one could argue that under-performing schools are a sign of poor governance which is likely to encourage voters to look outside the more established parties without assuming that UKIP voters are products of generations of poor schooling, inbreeding and chronic abuse of industrial alcohol (except of course in the Fens). Editorial note: horrific hangovers and typos appear to strongly correlate. Discuss using your indoor voices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Or one could argue that under-performing schools are a sign of poor governance which is likely to encourage voters to look outside the more established parties without assuming that UKIP voters are products of generations of poor schooling, inbreeding and chronic abuse of industrial alcohol (except of course in the Fens). Editorial note: horrific hangovers and typos appear to strongly correlate. Discuss using your indoor voices. IF I WASN'T IRANIAN, I'D HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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