Konradsmith Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Well, if I can get the pesky iPad to work decently and myself away from mowing grass, I'll probably be able to check up on the news here every so often, though not quite as obsessively as when I'm in town. I may refrain from commenting though, since I'm kindof averse to touch screens and the wi-fi situation will definitely be iffy up in the wilds. I should think we'll at least get more Loras than last year, when he only spoke in one scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janicia Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 ^ I was going to point out that it makes no sense, knowing Arya, that she would kill a random Lannister guard just because. .But if we're at the point where it makes sense somehow for Meryn Trant to be a diplomat...All logic has already gone out of the window. Show Arya has already killed the random bragging Frey soldier, a random Lannister soldier (in the Inn before she killed Polliver), and Rorge (who never did anything to her), she sic'ed Sandor on groups of Frey and Lannister soldiers, and she has never seemed remotely regretful about the Lannister soldiers that Jaqen murdered for her. She had reasons each time, but when given half an excuse, show Arya is happy to cause the death of random Lannister soldiers. If she saw a random Lannister soldier abusing somebody or bragging about the demise of her family, it would be consistent with her show character to kill him. Jaime was life-long Kingsguard and an ass, but he's acting as a major diplomat in book 4. Book Cersei appointed Aurane as commander of the boats although he didn't really have the qualifications for it, chose a weak Hand, and promoted random low-level Lannisters to positions that Kevan should have held. Cersei is promoting her sycophants to positions they shouldn't have at this point in the story, and Meryn Trant is one of the very few characters that is already established as a Cersei sycophant. Anyway, she is blowing the Iron Bank off - Cersei might feel like sending a kingsguard to do that sends a firm message. I still think that Arya killing Trant in Bravos without any consequence would play just as strangely as Sandor announcing Arya at the Vale without any consequence. But Trant's death was late in the season, it could play a part in shifting Arya onto her next trajectory, presumably as the end of the Mercy chapter does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Show Arya has already killed the random bragging Frey soldier, a random Lannister soldier (in the Inn before she killed Polliver), and Rorge (who never did anything to her), she sic'ed Sandor on groups of Frey and Lannister soldiers, and she has never seemed remotely regretful about the Lannister soldiers that Jaqen murdered for her. She had reasons each time, but when given half an excuse, show Arya is happy to cause the death of random Lannister soldiers. If she saw a random Lannister soldier abusing somebody or bragging about the demise of her family, it would be consistent with her show character to kill him. So Arya is not supposed to have any kind of character development/change between seasons 2/3 and season 5? What's the point of her even going to Braavos and learning in the House of Black and White then? I'm not talking about her being regretful. I'm talking about Arya becoming someone who doesn't kill people in impulse but in a cold, planned, "Revenge is best served cold", using various resources she has. Killing Tickler may have been impulsive, full of rage and on the spot, but she plans her murder of Raff and executes her plan down to every detail of repeating the words he said when he killed Lommy. The show quickened her development in that regard and already made her dish out revenge in a similar, cold and planned, way, in episode 4.01. To have her then spend season 5 doing repetitive versions of what she did in the season 3 finale seems really pointless. Jaime was life-long Kingsguard and an ass, but he's acting as a major diplomat in book 4. Book Cersei appointed Aurane as commander of the boats although he didn't really have the qualifications for it, chose a weak Hand, and promoted random low-level Lannisters to positions that Kevan should have held. Cersei is promoting her sycophants to positions they shouldn't have at this point in the story, and Meryn Trant is one of the very few characters that is already established as a Cersei sycophant. Anyway, she is blowing the Iron Bank off - Cersei might feel like sending a kingsguard to do that sends a firm message. Jaime, however, is a Lannister. Meryn Trant... is someone nobody would take seriously as a diplomat. Even Cersei wouldn't go as far as appointing him to a diplomatic position. What's the use of him in such a role, anyway? He's brawn, not brain. If she appointed him to some high military position he doesn't deserve, that would make sense in the "Cersei appoints her sycophants to positions they don't deserve" way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 So anyone know if Kevan is coming back yet? He's pretty important in this part of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 So anyone know if Kevan is coming back yet? He's pretty important in this part of the story. We don't know yet. I'd say it's a slim chance at this point, but maybe he already filmed and just didn't get spotted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 ^Plus didn't we have some reason for thinking that Pycelle would take on Kevan's role a little this season? I forget why, but I thought we knew that he might be the one to be the "voice of reason" against Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 ^Plus didn't we have some reason for thinking that Pycelle would take on Kevan's role a little this season? That's just speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 That's just speculation.Ah thanks, couldn't remember. I'm thinking the HS and Margery are going to monopolize most of Cersei's time this season anyway, so Kevan's role wouldn't be as necessary anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Ah thanks, couldn't remember. I'm thinking the HS and Margery are going to monopolize most of Cersei's time this season anyway, so Kevan's role wouldn't be as necessary anyway. And Qyburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeParking Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Plus in the finale when Cersei kicked Pycelle out of his lab, he showed the most amount of frustration with her ever. He might be more willing the speak out against her next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janicia Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 ^Plus didn't we have some reason for thinking that Pycelle would take on Kevan's role a little this season? I forget why, but I thought we knew that he might be the one to be the "voice of reason" against Cersei. Season 4 played up antagonism between Cersei and Pycelle, and Cersei angered Pycelle both at Joffrey's wedding and in 4x10 in his lab. Pycelle was quite vindictive after suffering at Tyrion's hands in seasons 2-3, so it would make perfect sense for Pycelle to be at loggerheads against Cersei in season 5. Further, show Pycelle seems to have been Tywin's man because Tywin was the best; it wasn't idealogical. With Tywin dead, Pycelle's loyalties shift and they sure as heck won't shift to Cersei. And since most of the political minds have left the capital, it is plausible that Pycelle might start trying to play the game for himself. If the show is going to introduce the maesters of the Citadel as an important faction in season 6, it does make sense to bring Pycelle to the forefront in season 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janicia Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 So Arya is not supposed to have any kind of character development/change between seasons 2/3 and season 5? What's the point of her even going to Braavos and learning in the House of Black and White then? I'm not talking about her being regretful. I'm talking about Arya becoming someone who doesn't kill people in impulse but in a cold, planned, "Revenge is best served cold", using various resources she has. Killing Tickler may have been impulsive, full of rage and on the spot, but she plans her murder of Raff and executes her plan down to every detail of repeating the words he said when he killed Lommy. The show quickened her development in that regard and already made her dish out revenge in a similar, cold and planned, way, in episode 4.01. To have her then spend season 5 doing repetitive versions of what she did in the season 3 finale seems really pointless. Jaime, however, is a Lannister. Meryn Trant... is someone nobody would take seriously as a diplomat. Even Cersei wouldn't go as far as appointing him to a diplomatic position. What's the use of him in such a role, anyway? He's brawn, not brain. If she appointed him to some high military position he doesn't deserve, that would make sense in the "Cersei appoints her sycophants to positions they don't deserve" way. Whoa, not sure why you're jumping down my throat. I'm not saying Arya should wig out and kill a Lannister soldier just because. There would be a reason, such as Arya protecting somebody (Sam? a prostitute? a child?) or the soldier saying something sufficiently incriminating that Arya calmly decides the world would be better without him. The books have lots of characters such at Harys Swyft and Jacelyn Bywater who are important people in Westeros but are of tertiary importance in the story, don't have personalities, and just wander in once in a while for a cameo. The multitudes of these kinds of characters build depth in the ASOIAF world, but do not work in TV where it would be nice to recognize named characters when they show up on screen. So there isn't any obvious character in the show to send to treat with the Iron Bank - Mace or Loras would be reasonable candidates but Cersei would never agree to let them represent her. Trant is in the inner circle at court, and Cersei doesn't care if she insults the Iron Bank or not. The real benefit of sending Trant to Bravos where Arya kills him is being able to connect Stannis, the Iron Bank, Cersei, and Arya together, where one character's actions impact other characters. It wouldn't be the most plausible thing in the world, but it is much more satisfying than each main character being a separate thread that could be deleted from the season without impacting the other main characters. There is a line where a story's implausibilities build up to a crushing weight that drags the whole thing down, but Trant-as-intentionally-insulting-diplomat isn't that line for me, as long as the show acknowledges the ripples his death would cause. All speculative, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 So there isn't any obvious character in the show to send to treat with the Iron Bank - Mace or Loras would be reasonable candidates but Cersei would never agree to let them represent her. I could see her sending Mace just to get him out of town (instead of the Storm's End siege stuff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeParking Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I could see her sending Mace just to get him out of town (instead of the Storm's End siege stuff). Good idea, and it would give the appearance that she is giving important tasks to the Tyrells (though this one is, Cersei probably won't think so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 If Kevan doesn't appear, I hope we at least get a throwaway line or something about him being dead. Otherwise it would become a plot hole, with him appearing in earlier seasons and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I could see her sending Mace just to get him out of town (instead of the Storm's End siege stuff).And Trant and some Lannister soldiers as his escort! That's what I've been saying all along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 If Kevan doesn't appear, I hope we at least get a throwaway line or something about him being dead. Otherwise it would become a plot hole, with him appearing in earlier seasons and such. Not really. In that case he would be Tywin's brother who helped with the Lannister forces during the war, and then just went back home afterwards. There was no Master of Laws appointment (or even position) in the show, so he never had a reason to be in KL in the first place. And Trant and some Lannister soldiers as his escort! That's what I've been saying all along That'd work, though if Trant really is the one that takes Raff's place, then I hope we at least get someone to address the number of KG. Olenna and Tywin back in S3 talked about an open spot (with Tywin threatening Loras), which is still apparently open. In S2, we see a KG sail off to Dorne with Myrcella, but given what Jaime's arc is becoming, I wonder if they're going to retcon that and act as if she's alone. I feel like this needs to be addressed at some point though; maybe we'll see Cersei trying to appoint crappy knights to the KG this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 1. Not really. In that case he would be Tywin's brother who helped with the Lannister forces during the war, and then just went back home afterwards. There was no Master of Laws appointment (or even position) in the show, so he never had a reason to be in KL in the first place. 2. That'd work, though if Trant really is the one that takes Raff's place, then I hope we at least get someone to address the number of KG. Olenna and Tywin back in S3 talked about an open spot (with Tywin threatening Loras), which is still apparently open. In S2, we see a KG sail off to Dorne with Myrcella, but given what Jaime's arc is becoming, I wonder if they're going to retcon that and act as if she's alone. I feel like this needs to be addressed at some point though; maybe we'll see Cersei trying to appoint crappy knights to the KG this season?1. What doesn't make sense is Kevan's absense from the wedding and what will make a whole lot less sense is his absense from Tywin's funeral (assuming the show will make a relatively big deal out of it like in the books). This is the show's last chance of tying up this loose end, and while it is important to us book fans the non-readers likely don't give a shit about it. It just comes down to if Kevan fits D&D's overarching scheme for the story and if they like the character. They can easily cut him.2. I agree that the Kingsguard are a mess in the show. It's one of those details that make a ton of sense in the books and the show never bothered to explain them. I hope they talk about the show-canon Kingsguard next season just to clear it up. In any case, I don't think it's important for them to keep Meryn around. Robert Strong is bound to show up by the end of next season, and him along with nameless extras in Kingsguard armor are enough. That said, I do hope they cast a Kettleblack for Cersei to manipulate and sex up. I still think there's a big chance for more roles of that magnitude to be cast given that they managed to sneak Denys Mallister under our radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 According to this guy, the GOT crew is hard at work on the Moneyglass set today:https://mobile.twitter.com/duffman190374/status/501227786619858945My bet is they'll start filming there in a couple of weeks, so it could be anything. Even Winterfell, if they want a so far unseen part of the castle.EDIT: and more news in the same link! Someone replied to the guy saying that GOT is also filming in Shane's Castle this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 New news, Illyn Payne's actor is officially cured after his big surgery and hopes to return to GoT when he recovers (so probably in season 6 and 7).Also, GOT is filming in Lokrum near Dubrovnik again (where they filmed some Qarth scenes). Speculated to be Pentos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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