Season 5 Casting, News and Speculation V 5

[PatrickStormborn]

My point was that that Tyene scene is the only such scene we'll get in Dorne, unless of course Ellaria gets up to something saucy. Nym and Obara won't though. The idea that they're emphasising the Snakes just because they're sexy is wrong though. According to GrrM they will be a big deal going forward and will cause a ton of trouble, presumably in KL.

I am very willing to bet that nothing the Sandsnakes do will be as significant as what Aegon has already done so far in the books. I'm sure they'll be important, but let's not pretend that their inclusion in the show over Arianne and the Griffs is about plot significance - it's about what they think is best for TV. They think three sexy Sandsnakes, a vengeful Ellaria, and an expanded relationship between Trystane and Myrcella makes for better TV than the complicated family relationships between Doran, Arianne and Quentyn, which fuels the entire Dornish plot in the book.

And I think it's VERY unlikely that the Tyene scene is the ONLY nudity scene we'll get in Porne. This is the same show that had Oberyn move into a brothel.

[The Onion Sleight]

the dragons need to be released though.. and dany needs to be set against Dorne one way in another, for the end game to have the same politics/potential alliances that are being set up in the books

I dunno... So far, it doesn't look so :-/ If there's no fAegon, they might just make Dorne support her, if there's no Vic, we must hope we'll still get Euron *fingers crossed* and he keeps his ideas from the books (eh, if call what he has in mind an "alliance"), but Dany definitely won't arrive in Westeros with the Iron Fleet. Will she fly to the Dothrakis and spend some time with them on the show?... Her army in the books might be a horde of freed slaves, banned guys, Ironborn, khalasars, aso. but look less "uncivilized" on the show.

[DaveyJoe]

Why? She's neither the Captain of the Iron Fleet, nor could she marry Dany, there's absolutely no reason why Yara should replace Vic, and no motive why she would head to Meereen.

Euron didn't send Vic to marry Dany.

[Janicia]

I think there's a high chance that Jaime may not even return to KL after Dorne and he just leaves off and bumps into Brienne and then I assume the Jaime/Brienne arc will go into TWOW territory since LSH is cut.

I agree that could happen, but it doesn't make much sense for Jaime to be wandering through the Riverlands after leaving Dorne. Sure, the show could just have Jaime randomly wandering through the forest without explaining it, and he could randomly run into Brienne, but I think their encounter makes a lot more sense and has a lot more weight if it is intertwined with the anti-Frey counterstroke in the Riverlands. And that way Jaime has a season 5 arc in Dorne about his place in his family followed by a season 6 arc in the Riverlands about his place in the realm.

No clue what the show will do with Brienne in season 5 if Jaime doesn't come to the riverlands until season 6, but her screen time could be pared back while she searches for the girls.

[The Onion Sleight]

Euron didn't send Vic to marry Dany.

I know, I meant, Yara wouldn't even consider the idea of doing it, in opposite to Vic, because it's impossible in "Planeteros" and she doesn't want to piss her hated older brother off (I mean, she hates Euron too, but for other reasons) who's at the same her king, but also slept with her wife. She has no personal reasons and motives to travel to Dany like Vic, and also no orders and duty as Iron Captain.

(And whatever Vic is about to do in Meereen next book, I'm sure Yara would find totally different ways to achieve her goals than her uncle, and we'd get another outcome.)

[DaveyJoe]

I know, I meant, Yara wouldn't even consider the idea of doing it, in opposite to Vic, because it's impossible in "Planeteros" and she doesn't want to piss her hated older brother off (I mean, she hates Euron too, but for other reasons) who's at the same her king, but also slept with her wife. She has no personal reasons and motives to travel to Dany like Vic, and also no orders and duty as Iron Captain.

(And whatever Vic is about to do in Meereen next book, I'm sure Yara would find totally different ways to achieve her goals than her uncle, and we'd get another outcome.)

Well considering that Dany has a navy, I don't think any Greyjoys are getting sent to Essos.

[The Onion Sleight]

Well considering that Dany has a navy, I don't think any Greyjoys are getting sent to Essos.

Exactly, that's the main argument.

And that (+ the other reasons) is why I don't understand why some people still consider the idea of Yara replacing Vic.

... Well done, HBO, cutting the only thing/person in Meereen I'm interested in, really, well done -.-

[DaveyJoe]

Exactly, that's the main argument.

And that (+ the other reasons) is why I don't understand why some people still consider the idea of Yara replacing Vic.

We don't even know if we're getting Euron yet.

[The Onion Sleight]

We don't even know if we're getting Euron yet.

I damn much hope so!

If not...

#FuckHBO

... they can always keep Balon alive.

The only people who are still alive after ADOS: Dolorous Edd, Hodor and Patchface.

The only who are still alive after Season 7: Dolorous Edd, Hodor and Balon.

[The Onion Sleight]

Seriously, no Euron -> no faceless man (if it's true) -> no dead Balon?

Or no Euron -> but slippery bridge, angry Storm God -> dead Balon?

[DaveyJoe]

I'm not making any assumptions until there is an official confirmation. It seems like the production is being tighter lipped about casting this year, but if Euron is in, I'd expect him to be a major character with an announcement. All we can do is wait and see.

[The Onion Sleight]

I'm not making any assumptions until there is an official confirmation. It seems like the production is being tighter lipped about casting this year, but if Euron is in, I'd expect him to be a major character with an announcement. All we can do is wait and see.

I guess, that's the best to do.

I'm just an impatient person, and at the moment we're (almost) only getting news/pics/aso. about Arya, Dany and Tyrion next year and I want some less Essos-ish and more Westeros-ish (above Dorne and KL) news.

[Janicia]

I am very willing to bet that nothing the Sandsnakes do will be as significant as what Aegon has already done so far in the books. I'm sure they'll be important, but let's not pretend that their inclusion in the show over Arianne and the Griffs is about plot significance - it's about what they think is best for TV. They think three sexy Sandsnakes, a vengeful Ellaria, and an expanded relationship between Trystane and Myrcella makes for better TV than the complicated family relationships between Doran, Arianne and Quentyn, which fuels the entire Dornish plot in the book.

And I think it's VERY unlikely that the Tyene scene is the ONLY nudity scene we'll get in Porne. This is the same show that had Oberyn move into a brothel.

Aegon himself is just a figurehead. His personal feats have been limited to traveling while escorted by adults, losing a game of cryvasse, and following Tyrion's advice. Most of what he's done in the books could also have been done by a cardboard cutout. The sand snakes play a much more active role in their lives.

Focusing on characters that have plot significance IS good TV.

I'm looking forward to seeing the complicated family relationships between the sand snakes, Ellaria, Doran, and Trystane on the screen.

Again, Arienne is more sexualized in the books than any of the sand snakes. Yeah, I'm sure there will be oogle-worthy scenes with the snakes, but when the show replaces a more-sexual character with a less-sexual character, it is goofy to argue that it was done in order to put more nudity on screen.

Further, as you point out, the show has found ample opportunity to put naked women on screen without the sand snakes. They certainly don't have to make major plot decisions around the inclusion of female nudity when they can easily throw some naked prostitutes into Salador's lap, house major characters in brothels, and incorporate a Ramsay/Myranda sex scene into the attack on the Dreadfort. Season 5 really isn't lacking for excuses to show nudity - Loras has a confirmed sex scene, Cersei has her walk of shame, Missandei, Myranda, and Dany will probably continue their nudity-inducing relationships, Dany has sex with Hizdahr in the book, Yara with whats-his-face, Sam loses his virginity, Arya spends time around brothels, Tyrion spends time in a brothel and then as a slave, Cersei seduces men. And Melissandre and Margery could have steamy scenes for some reason or another, or Euron could have naked people around him, or whatever. So sure, Tyene taking her top off probably isn't the extent of sand snake sexiness in the show. But it is absurd to suggest that the sexiness coefficient of the sand snakes was relevant to the decision to omit Arienne.

I think Arienne was omitted partly because they were skipping the Aegon/Arienne stuff anyway and Arienne was never going to be important to the story's conclusion, partly to push Myrcella (and by extension Jaime) closer to the heart of Dornish politics, partly because Trystane couldn't be omitted, and partly because three sand snakes are less confusing to introduce than two sand snakes and an Arienne.

[Hath4]

Yara is heading back to the iron islands so they will half to pick up with her story in season 5. I expect Euron will be part of that. But I only think it will be a two episode type deal, basically she goes back, finds her dad dead and her Psychotic uncle has returned and claimed power. She challenges him loses and heads back north. Euron offscreen then invades the reach. So he basically he would be in two episodes. though he would become more important in season 6/wow.

[ARYa_Nym]

1. Myranda is not replacing fArya. This is why; The purpose of fArya is that she is a Stark of Winterfell. If you remember, no one really remembered what real Arya looked like, she was always dirty and not 'the pretty one' (Sansa) so no one really paid attention to her except her family.

Arya did not only interact or receive attention from her family. She had lots of people she interacted with and if anyone knew Jeyne wasn't Arya like Theon they wouldn't say anything. No one at the dinner mentioned Bolton treachery either. It was not in their interest to voice their thoughts.

For example Arya went to White Harbor twice. Manderly had the Danny Flint song played during the wedding. Danny pretended to be someone she was not. That could indicate a possibility that he knows and that others do as well.

Plus, they would have looked at Arya if they wanted to get in favor with WF as a future wife for their sons.Not being pretty doesn't mean that she would have been ignored. Asha wasn't ignored. Arianne wasn't pretty when she was young but she wasn't ignored either. Being ugly I would say brought attention to Brienne rather than made her stay under the radar. Arya looking like a street urchin would likely be more memorable than had she been a passingly pretty noble highborn girl because it's strange for a girl of her station. Anything out of norm can be memorable. For Theon it's that she was unattractive and abnormal for a highborn girl that he remembers her for. Jeyne who was said to be pretty he couldn't remember what she looked like or what she was like.

But that does not mean that they would be able to recognize her. Harwin most certainly paid attention to her but could not recognize her.

ETA: & Jamie is a non northerner who said he never paid Arya much attention but he could tell that Jeyne wasn't Arya by just a glance.

[reddy95]

H. Stark at Watchers on the Wall just posted a link to a Croatian news outlet with pictures that are reportedly our first glimpse at the costumes for the Brazen Beasts.

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Spektakli/tabid/79/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/256589/Default.aspx

However, it's possible (and perhaps even more likely) that these could also be the Sons of the Harpy. That was certainly my first instinct when I saw those photos, because to be perfectly honest, I'd forgotten that the Brazen Beasts were a thing in A Dance With Dragons. As vigilantes, it makes sense that the Harpys would wear masks, and the designs of those masks (most notably the horns) seem more uniform and more sinister than the Brazen Beasts' wide range of animal faces (although it could simply be a case of the costume department standardizing their look to keep costs down).

Truth be told, the Brazen Beasts seem like they would be an easy thing for Game of Thrones to cut, given that they serve a similar purpose to the Unsullied. We’ve seen no indication that the Shavepate will be cast, so if these are the Brazen Beasts, maybe Hizdahr just commands them from the start? If I had to guess at the moment, however ... I'd say that these are the Sons of the Harpy.

I always thought brazen beasts had masks like the ANBU from naruto

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/283/2/a/naruto_anbu_masks_by_purpledragon42-d4cgr3t.png

[Colonel Green]

the dragons need to be released though.. and dany needs to be set against Dorne one way in another, for the end game to have the same politics/potential alliances that are being set up in the books

No, Dany doesn't need to be set against Dorne if the show is cutting Aegon. Even if the show has Aegon, frankly, Quentyn isn't necessary, as Dorne joining him only requires the fact that he gets there first to explain it.

[Lady Fevre Dream]

Here you go guys, debate away. Version 4 is now at 200 pages, we need a new one.

Latest news:

Myranda actress confirmed for S5.

Source (Patchface) suggesting Kevan, Lancel, Gendry and Jaquen are in and that Manderley insignia found.

No Hodor?

*edit to state that the source suggesting Manderley insignia found was poster on WOTW Patchface and not corroborated*

OMG!! It's actually a new thread, finally? THAT is news in and of itself, LOL

I did see some of the article on Watchers about the return of the Myranda actress. I'm wondering, has there been any confirmation, regardless of her turning up now in S5.......on whether or not Myranda was originally killed in S4? I'm still mighty suspicious about what happened to that girl before, during, or after the Yara attack on The Dreadfort. Having the character show up alive now doesn't mean that...........she wasn't killed then (and the footage left on the cutting room floor). I will always be suspicious of things in that episode, including Ramsey wearing nothing on his chest but streaks of blood when confronting Yara.

ETA: I'll NEVER catch up on the old thread, not to mention.......this newthread. :crying:

[Deadwood]

I agree that could happen, but it doesn't make much sense for Jaime to be wandering through the Riverlands after leaving Dorne. Sure, the show could just have Jaime randomly wandering through the forest without explaining it, and he could randomly run into Brienne, but I think their encounter makes a lot more sense and has a lot more weight if it is intertwined with the anti-Frey counterstroke in the Riverlands. And that way Jaime has a season 5 arc in Dorne about his place in his family followed by a season 6 arc in the Riverlands about his place in the realm.

No clue what the show will do with Brienne in season 5 if Jaime doesn't come to the riverlands until season 6, but her screen time could be pared back while she searches for the girls.

Something nasty befalls Brienne next series, we know that. It's probably the programme's version of the books Stoneheart thing.

[Colonel Green]

I did see some of the article on Watchers about the return of the Myranda actress. I'm wondering, has there been any confirmation, regardless of her turning up now in S5.......on whether or not Myranda was originally killed in S4?

If they had originally killed her in Season 4 that would have meant they thought there was no further use for her, which is hard to reconcile with her being brought back and given more screentime than she had in either preceding season (at least three episodes this time, if you go by directors), so I doubt it.