Sword of Nightfall Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Well, she better. Otherwise she's gonna miss the big dance. I hear that boy Aegon is gonna ask her to go 'round. (Do kids still say that or do I sound really old?) I recognize the expression, but pretty sure i qualify as pretty old so not sure if it helps :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Thanks for the seashells...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/118181-we-will-march-into-the-sea-and-out-again-under-the-waves-we-will-ride-seahorses-and-mermaids-will-blow-seashells-to-announce-our-coming-oh-oh-oh/#entry6301255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumkin77 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Another translation question: when Daenerys orders the Unsullied to "slay every man that wears a tokar or holds a whip", she means only males, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 Another translation question: when Daenerys orders the Unsullied to "slay every man that wears a tokar or holds a whip", she means only males, right? Well, she does say "man", so yeah, I guess so ;) She basically ordering here to have all slavers killed, and those are males. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well, she does say "man", so yeah, I guess so ;) She basically ordering here to have all slavers killed, and those are males. But High Valyrian has no gendered nouns. Remember that whole "Prince" that was Promised thing? But I kind of don't want to get into it, because this might be officially the most over-analyzed line in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 But High Valyrian has no gendered nouns. Remember that whole "Prince" that was Promised thing? There really is no evidence to support that claim. At best, from what Aemon said, it can be concluded that the HV word for "dragon" is not gender specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 But High Valyrian has no gendered nouns. Remember that whole "Prince" that was Promised thing? But I kind of don't want to get into it, because this might be officially the most over-analyzed line in the series. The "no gender" thing has only been confirmed for the words Prince/Princcess. For nothing else ;) And there is no evidence that it occurs with any other words.. In fact, if it was the case for every noun, then you'd think that the double meaning would have been considered, and not completely forgotten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 There really is no evidence to support that claim. At best, from what Aemon said, it can be concluded that the HV word for "dragon" is not gender specific. The "no gender" thing has only been confirmed for the words Prince/Princcess. For nothing else ;) And there is no evidence that it occurs with any other words.. In fact, if it was the case for every noun, then you'd think that the double meaning would have been considered, and not completely forgotten This was obviously discussed multiple times while I wasn't looking. :) Alright then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Considering how women were treated as property I doubt any of them were actively involved in the slave trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumkin77 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well, she does say "man", so yeah, I guess so ;) Well, I know, but I've gotten into an argument about this on a non-English language site, and I can't find a way to prove that I'm right :) . In cases like this the best course of action is to ask native speakers and present their answer as proof :cool4: . The point is, it's "everyone" in our translation, not "every man", so now I'm trying to convince people that Daenerys didn't order to kill women in Astapor, but I'm not getting anywhere with this, because they answer that "man" can also mean a human being in general :rolleyes: . I know they are wrong, but I can't explain why (I'm not good at theory), so I came here again looking for confirmation :) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 ^ In this context, a native English speaker would not say "man" meaning human. If she wanted women killed as well as men she would have said "Kill every person who wears a Tokar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 A half moon was sliding in and out amongst thin high clouds, and Davos could see familiar stars. There was the Galley, sailing west; there the Crone's Lantern, four bright stars that enclosed a golden haze. The clouds hid most of the Ice Dragon, all but the bright blue eye that marked due north. The sky is full of smugglers' stars. They were old friends, those stars; Davos hoped that meant good luck. Davos VI, StormAnybody know which constellation the Crone's Lantern corresponds to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Hey, where's the quote about the dragons being a sword over the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Davos VI, StormAnybody know which constellation the Crone's Lantern corresponds to? Do the Planetos constellations correspond to the one's here on Earth? I treat this idea with equal parts squee and confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mychel_Redfort Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 The haze is probably a nebula. Could be the Orion Nebula in the low part of the Constellation of Orion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTaylor Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Hodor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Do the Planetos constellations correspond to the one's here on Earth? I treat this idea with equal parts squee and confusion. I had to look up squee. Cool word. The red wanderer appears to be Mars. The star in the ice dragon's eye (or its rider's eye) is the North Star, so the ice dragon is the ursa minor. The seven wanderers are the seven sacred wanders of antiquity (the Sun, the Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter & Saturn). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I had to look up squee. Cool word. The red wanderer appears to be Mars. The star in the ice dragon's eye (or its rider's eye) is the North Star, so the ice dragon is the ursa minor. The seven wanderers are the seven sacred wanders of antiquity (the Sun, the Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter & Saturn). Yes but... implications. Does this mean The Others are super evolved humans from this distant future or something? You can't have two different planters with the same constellations. Not without an Infinite Improbability Drive anyway. I know I should just relax and use my suspension of disbelief, but, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Yes but... implications. Does this mean The Others are super evolved humans from this distant future or something? You can't have two different planters with the same constellations. Not without an Infinite Improbability Drive anyway. I know I should just relax and use my suspension of disbelief, but, no. 42. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumkin77 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 ^ In this context, a native English speaker would not say "man" meaning human. If she wanted women killed as well as men she would have said "Kill every person who wears a Tokar" This should be proof enough (if you are a native speaker, of course :) ). When it comes from me, they won't listen. Thanks a lot for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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