Lost Melnibonean Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 What's the point of Penny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 What's the point of Penny? My 2 cents: Seems like a Doctor John Watson to Sherlock or Captain Hastings to Hercule Poirot. A companion-chronicler, a way for Tyrion to talk to the audience, without talking to the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 What's the point of Penny? She helps Tyrion regain his humanity. She is a sow-and-dog-whisperer. GRRM said, dragons are just as bright as dogs, somewhere IIRC. She thus might be dragon rider #3 (scratch Victarion, hilarious as he might be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 She helps Tyrion regain his humanity. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 What should we make of Petyr telling Sansa he sent to Braavos forvthe jousting dwarves and Penny telling Tyrion Littlefinger's man contracted them in Pentos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 What should we make of Petyr telling Sansa he sent to Braavos forvthe jousting dwarves and Penny telling Tyrion Littlefinger's man contracted them in Pentos? 1) Usually conniving of some kind from LF. 2) LF's man was better informed as to where the troop of jousting dwarves was/could be reached and went to the right place to procure them. 3) Something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 What should we make of Petyr telling Sansa he sent to Braavos forvthe jousting dwarves and Penny telling Tyrion Littlefinger's man contracted them in Pentos? That Penny and Oppo were travelling around a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 But the George calls attention to the difference. He doesn't need to do that to showvthey move around. We got that directly from Penny. At least we know Petyr wasn't lying about contracting them since Penny confirms thait was Petyr's man. But why would he tell Sansa Braavos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 But the George calls attention to the difference. He doesn't need to do that to showvthey move around. We got that directly from Penny. At least we know Petyr wasn't lying about contracting them since Penny confirms thait was Petyr's man. But why would he tell Sansa Braavos? Well, I always figured that Penny and Oppo had been in Braavos when Petyr heard about them, send his guy there, but by then, Penny and Oppo had travelled on, leading to Kettleback to search after them. It would be a show of LF's determination, perhaps, how far he is willing to go to get exactly what he wants, instead of looking for other dwarves in Braavos (which would have been much easier). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet199 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 My take is that there is some kind of LF/Illyrio connection. Either LF's man is actually in Varys' pay and told LF he found the dwarves in Braavos because that is where he was supposed to be working or LF has been snooping round Pentos and isn't being honest with Sansa as he doesn't fully trust her yet. I like the latter as I think it would be funny if LF had worked out what is going on with Aegon and had already put his traps in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'd bet it was just a slip up. One of those mistakes that aren't really mistakes because they can be explained away by the characters themselves being mistaken or disingenuous. Like Barristan conflating his tourneys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'd bet it was just a slip up. One of those mistakes that aren't really mistakes because they can be explained away by the characters themselves being mistaken or disingenuous. Like Barristan conflating his tourneys. But he brought attention to it. This was not Septon Chayle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatOfThe_Canals Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Rereading for the first time and literally joined because I don't understand why Varys told the small council that Dany was pregnant? I think even if his motives aren't strictly Targ I don't understand why he would want Robert to want her dead? Robert easily could've decided to send a FM after her ... Also, did Varys ever actually intend to revoke Jorah's banishment? He definitely couldn't of until Ned died which he probably saw coming but did he ever intend on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 I think Varys wanted a re-enactment of the first quarrel between Rob and Ned about dead Targaryen children for a reason. Dany might have died as a result of it still, that would not matter to Varys. Why should it? Varys is no Dany fan nor a Targaryen loyalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Widow of Coldmoat Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 If Varys and Illyrio wanted the Dothraki to come across the Narrow Sea and invade Westeros, having Daenerys assassinated or nearly assassinated gives the Dothraki motive to do so, as revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 If Varys and Illyrio wanted the Dothraki to come across the Narrow Sea and invade Westeros, having Daenerys assassinated or nearly assassinated gives the Dothraki motive to do so, as revenge. Well, both Viserys and Dany were unable to make them cross the sea. And with the Westerosi minds gone, I doubt they would be looking for the means. To say it with Eddard's voice: "The narrow sea would still lie between us. I shall fear the Dothraki the day they teach their horses to run on water." AGoT 33 Eddard VIII (at the start of the chapter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Well, both Viserys and Dany were unable to make them cross the sea. And with the Westerosi minds gone, I doubt they would be looking for the means. To say it with Eddard's voice:AGoT 33 Eddard VIII (at the start of the chapter)The poisoning attempt convinced the Dothraki to cross the sea though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 The poisoning attempt convinced the Dothraki to cross the sea though.. I did not buy it - then. And also the Westerosi masterminds were still with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Rereading for the first time and literally joined because I don't understand why Varys told the small council that Dany was pregnant? I think even if his motives aren't strictly Targ I don't understand why he would want Robert to want her dead? Robert easily could've decided to send a FM after her ... Also, did Varys ever actually intend to revoke Jorah's banishment? He definitely couldn't of until Ned died which he probably saw coming but did he ever intend on it?You might find the discussion here of some interest...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/104810-varys-the-ned-lf-too-um-and-cersei/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Luke Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Vulture's Roost in Dorne- was it a stronghold for one of Vulture Kings? If so, do we know which one used it or when it was used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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