Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 In the books, Dany is fire proof. "her burns were healing" - ADwD 71 Daenerys X She is not fireproof. She burns when the moment is not as magical as when waking the dragon(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Damn. My mistake then. Ned did say though that Robert looked like a king and Cersei doesn't dispute that at least. It's cool. We've all gotten show/books mixed up sometimes. Even if we started reading the books pre-show (like I did). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 In the books, Dany is fire proof. She's say's she's always sensed it even as a child ,I think it's before birthing the dragons ,that wasn't the only time she came in direct contact w/flame. She did in the undying tower, Drogo's flame when he burnt the undying washing over her, cleansing her. Also in the Fighting Pit Drogo... again ....before she flew off on his back. Though I do believe Magic has bin showing her the way. Re-read her final POV in Dance. No Targ is fireproof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady of the Falls Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Re-read her final POV in Dance. No Targ is fireproof. I know her hair and skin show sighs of being burnt but the flame doesn't consume her and that dragon fire. Even fire proof things turn black from soot, but the point is it won't catch fire or spread it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnow4President Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I know her hair and skin show sighs of being burnt but the flame doesn't consume her and that dragon fire. Even fire proof things turn black from soot, but the point is it won't catch fire or spread it. It was his breath. It wasn't fire. Edit to come when I grab the book (if Pizza doesn't get here first). From the pit scene (p 764 in the box set paperback) Drogon roared. The sound filled the pit. A furnace-wind engulfed her. The dragon's long scaled neck stretched toward her. When his mouth opened, she could see bits of broken bone and charred flesh between his black teeth. His eyes were molten [internal thoughts snipped for brevity] Drogon roared full in her face, his breath hot enough to blister skin. Off to her right, she heard Barristan Selmy shouting, "Me! Try me. Over here. Me!" She sees details, instead of nothing but flames. If he's engulfing her in flames she's immune to, she can't see. Flames are mentioned nowhere, only heat. Considering his blood is hot enough to turn metal soft, I don't find it odd that his breath is hot enough to blister skin. Coupled with the burns mentioned in the Dothraki sea chapter, it's pretty damn clear she's not immune to fire, and was in fact burned by his breath (but not dragonfire). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I know her hair and skin show sighs of being burnt but the flame doesn't consume her and that dragon fire. Even fire proof things turn black from soot, but the point is it won't catch fire or spread it. Like JS4Prez says, it was Drogon's hot breath, not actual fire. But she did burn (skin and hair) It was his breath. It wasn't fire. Edit to come when I grab the book (if Pizza doesn't get here first). Pizza is more important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady of the Falls Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Like JS4Prez says, it was Drogon's hot breath, not actual fire. But she did burn (skin and hair) Pizza is more important Can't we all agree that in the tower of undying Drogon's "breath" did consume everyone else but her. Even the fire she burnt Drogo in burnt her hair, but turned everything else to ash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnow4President Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Can't we all agree that in the tower of undying Drogon's "breath" did consume everyone else but her. Even the fire she burnt Drogo in burnt her hair, but turned everything else to ash. Which was called a one off, unique circumstance with magic she was kind of working instinctively. He said it would not happen again. Like JS4Prez says, it was Drogon's hot breath, not actual fire. But she did burn (skin and hair) Pizza is more important Pizza isn't here yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Can't we all agree that in the tower of undying Drogon's "breath" did consume everyone else but her. Even the fire she burnt Drogo in burnt her hair, but turned everything else to ash. The funeral pyre was a one time, magical moment, which is why Dany, save her hair, was unharmed. GRRM has stated that this was never meant to suggest that Dany, nor any other Targaryen, is fire proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Can't we all agree that in the tower of undying Drogon's "breath" did consume everyone else but her. Even the fire she burnt Drogo in burnt her hair, but turned everything else to ash. You're talking about two or three very different situations. 1) In Drogo's pyre, Dany "made the magic up as she went along" as GRRM once said. 2) Drogon's breath is in the Pit in Dance. Not his actual fire, but rather his hot breath 3) HotU...Drogon starts tearing the heart apart and then spews his fire specifically at the Warlocks. Are you thinking of the show where all three dragons spew their fire while Dany stands in the middle? Cause...the show royally screwed up the HotU scene Perched above her, the dragon spread his wings and tore at the terrible dark heart, ripping the rotten flesh to ribbons, and when his head snapped forward, fire flew from his open jaws, bright and hot. She could hear the shrieks of the Undying as they burned, their high thin papery voices crying out in tongues long dead. Their flesh was crumbling parchment, their bones dry wood soaked in tallow. They danced as the flames consumed them; they staggered and writhed and spun and raised blazing hands on high, their fingers bright as torches. I'm not sure what this "fireproof" argument has to do with RLJ....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady of the Falls Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 You're talking about two or three very different situations. 1) In Drogo's pyre, Dany "made the magic up as she went along" as GRRM once said. 2) Drogon's breath is in the Pit in Dance. Not his actual fire, but rather his hot breath 3) HotU...Drogon starts tearing the heart apart and then spews his fire specifically at the Warlocks. Are you thinking of the show where all three dragons spew their fire while Dany stands in the middle? Cause...the show royally screwed up the HotU scene I'm not sure what this "fireproof" argument has to do with RLJ....? it's comment to something said in original posters post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 In the HotU, Drogon's fire does not touch Dany...And the list of Targaryens who have been hurt or killed by fire contains quite some names, now that we are on the topic.Aegon II, Rhaenys (QWNW), Aerion, Aegon V, Duncan, Rhaenyra, Baela.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 it's comment to something said in original posters post The RLJ OP? Okay, gotcha. Well, no Targ is fire proof. The one time Dany is was called a "miracle" by GRRM. Jon's burned had does not mean he's not half-Targ. In the HotU, Drogon's fire does not touch Dany...And the list of Targaryens who have been hurt or killed by fire contains quite some names, now that we are on the topic.Aegon II, Rhaenys (QWNW), Aerion, Aegon V, Duncan, Rhaenyra, Baela.. Not to mention the fact that all Targs are cremated and that would be rather hard if their bodies were fireproof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Not to mention the fact that all Targs are cremated and that would be rather hard if their bodies were fireproofYeah, being fireproof would kind of make cremation quite difficult indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady of the Falls Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Which was called a one off, unique circumstance with magic she was kind of working instinctively. He said it would not happen again. Pizza isn't here yet. what does it matter, shes obviously unique and fire doesn't affect her like everyone else so there is differences in all the circumstances but one thing stays the same fire burns everything to ash except her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady of the Falls Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 The RLJ OP? Okay, gotcha. Well, no Targ is fire proof. The one time Dany is was called a "miracle" by GRRM. Jon's burned had does not mean he's not half-Targ. Not to mention the fact that all Targs are cremated and that would be rather hard if their bodies were fireproof In the HotU, Drogon's fire does not touch Dany...And the list of Targaryens who have been hurt or killed by fire contains quite some names, now that we are on the topic.Aegon II, Rhaenys (QWNW), Aerion, Aegon V, Duncan, Rhaenyra, Baela..Not true ...it says it washed over her she could feel the heat, she was in the middle of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 what does it matter, shes obviously unique and fire doesn't affect her like everyone else so there is differences in all the circumstances but one thing stays the same fire burns everything to ash except her. No. Only in the first case of Drogo's pyre is there actual fire directed at her There is no fire directed at her in the HotU There is no fire directed at her in the Pit. Only Drogon's hot breath and it does affect her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Not true ...it says it washed over her she could feel the heat, she was in the middle of them. could you please try to be more specific. I'm not sure what instance you're talking about. If this is the pit, it's not fire. If it's the HotU, it does not say that Perched above her, the dragon spread his wings and tore at the terrible dark heart, ripping the rotten flesh to ribbons, and when his head snapped forward, fire flew from his open jaws, bright and hot. She could hear the shrieks of the Undying as they burned, their high thin papery voices crying out in tongues long dead. Their flesh was crumbling parchment, their bones dry wood soaked in tallow. They danced as the flames consumed them; they staggered and writhed and spun and raised blazing hands on high, their fingers bright as torches. Dany pushed herself to her feet and bulled through them. They were light as air, no more than husks, and they fell at a touch. The whole room was ablaze by the time she reached the door. "Drogon," she called, and he flew to her through the fire. Outside a long dim passageway stretched serpentine before her, lit by the flickering orange glare from behind. Dany ran, searching for a door, a door to her right, a door to her left, any door, but there was nothing, only twisty stone walls, and a floor that seemed to move slowly under her feet, writhing as if to trip her. She kept her feet and ran faster, and suddenly the door was there ahead of her, a door like an open mouth. When she spilled out into the sun, the bright light made her stumble. Pyat Pree was gibbering in some unknown tongue and hopping from one foot to the other. When Dany looked behind her, she saw thin tendrils of smoke forcing their way through cracks in the ancient stone walls of the Palace of Dust, and rising from between the black tiles of the roof. Howling curses, Pyat Pree drew a knife and danced toward her, but Drogon flew at his face. Then she heard the crack of Jhogo's whip, and never was a sound so sweet. The knife went flying, and an instant later Rakharo was slamming Pyat to the ground. Ser Jorah Mormont knelt beside Dany in the cool green grass and put his arm around her shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Not true ...it says it washed over her she could feel the heat, she was in the middle of them. You talk about hot air. what does it matter, shes obviously unique and fire doesn't affect her like everyone else so there is differences in all the circumstances but one thing stays the same fire burns everything to ash except her. Let's see what George R.R. Martin said about that (it is in the OP)... TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold. George R.R. Martin Lastly, some fans are reading too much into the scene in GAME OF THRONES where the dragons are born -- which is to say, it was never the case that all Targaryens are immune to all fire at all times. George R.R. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingmonkey Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 The encounter makes far more sense when examined from this perspective, than when you examine it from the assumption that they knew all of this prior to Ned mentioning it. The problem here is you're taking it way too literally. Had they been at the Trident, the three of them would not have made any significant difference. Had they been at the sack, they'd have died there and while they may have stopped Jamie killing Aerys, he certainly would not still be sitting on the Iron Throne. Had they been at Storm's end, they'd be dead or fled. These are three skilled knights, but it's not Superman, Ultraman and Cthulhu. They can't defeat armies. Do you really think Ned has been spending the entire rebellion keeping his eye out for Dayne, Whent and Hightower, either? This whole conversation is highly symbolic and ritualised. What we see isn't what actually took place, it's Ned's dream-interpretation of what took place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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