Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Of course before Gerold became the Lord of CR, I do not believe that the Lord of CR would marry a woman married five times beforeSo Rohanne, who is trying to do everything she can to keep as much power as she can, in other words, rule a seat of her own, would willingly abandon two castles in her power, in favor for becoming the wife of a man without a seat of his own..?Not likely.As Lord of CR, Gerold would be able to choose himself who he would marry. That she had been married, but had not yet birthed a living child, multiple times before, had not halted him earlier. Why would it do so now? He wasn't after her seat, it seems, as he would rather remain at CR as Tybolt's advisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 According to Rohanne in TSS, Gerold's main obstacle to marry her was the fact that he did not want to leave Casterly Rock to become her husband at Coldmoat. He would certainly not have done that after he had become regent of the West, either. In fact, both Rohanne and Gerold would have been in much better position to choose their own spouses after Rohanne was confirmed as Lady of Coldmoat and Gerold Lord of Casterly Rock. Rohanne is not exactly of low birth; she may not have the greatest of seats, but she breeds the finest horses in the Reach, which means she is actually quite rich. Still, I imagine it took Gerold actually some convincing to persuade Rohanne to marry him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 So Rohanne, who is trying to do everything she can to keep as much power as she can, in other words, rule a seat of her own, would willingly abandon two castles in her power, in favor for becoming the wife of a man without a seat of his own..?Not likely.As Lord of CR, Gerold would be able to choose himself who he would marry. That she had been married, but had not yet birthed a living child, multiple times before, had not halted him earlier. Why would it do so now? He wasn't after her seat, it seems, as he would rather remain at CR as Tybolt's advisor First of all, coldmoat means nothing if you compare it to CR, Second, as a rule, a great Lord does not marry for love. Third, Gerold of course has no interest in Coldmoat, it was Rohanne he liked, and who said he had to moved to coldmoat after they married? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 In fact, both Rohanne and Gerold would have been in much better position to choose their own spouses after Rohanne was confirmed as Lady of Coldmoat and Gerold Lord of Casterly Rock. Rohanne is not exactly of low birth; she may not have the greatest of seats, but she breeds the finest horses in the Reach, which means she is actually quite rich. Certainly not, Coldmoat was far inferior to CR, House Webb was bannermen of House Rowan, and they only had about a dozen Knight, it would be a great political risk if Lord of CR choose lady of such a minor noble house who, above of all, had married five times, it will offend many of the great noble houses in the Kingdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Well, if you are the Lord of Casterly Rock you can risk offending someone. And both were marrying not the first time. Usually people do not marry for love, yes, but Gerold and Rohanne seems to be a love match - actually confirmed by Yandel, who refers to Rohanne as Gerold's 'beloved second wife'. If you are a widow or a widower you are not offending anyone as there are really no people expecting to marry into your family, nor do you break any marriage contracts. As to Coldmoat's wealth: It is a small seat, no one doubts that, but she is still a noblewoman, and you can been sworn to another house and still be quite wealthy. We are talking about the fertile and wealthy Reach here. And essentially any spouse Lannister takes - Hightowers and Tyrells excluded - would be much poorer than they are. The Lannisters are the richest house in the Seven Kingdoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Well, if you are the Lord of Casterly Rock you can risk offending someone. And both were marrying not the first time. Usually people do not marry for love, yes, but Gerold and Rohanne seems to be a love match - actually confirmed by Yandel, who refers to Rohanne as Gerold's 'beloved second wife'. No, even King could not afford that,even in our time, Edward VIII had to abidicate for his marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Edward VIII married a divorced American commoner. Gerold Lannister married a widowed fellow Ruling Lady. See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 First of all, coldmoat means nothing if you compare it to CR, Second, as a rule, a great Lord does not marry for love. Third, Gerold of course has no interest in Coldmoat, it was Rohanne he liked, and who said he had to moved to coldmoat after they married? For Rohanne, Coldmoat was important. CR is better, of course, but Gerold did not have CR until after Cerelle's death... A great Lord usually doesn't marry for love. We've seen examples in the recent story of those who do. Doran Martell, Tywin Lannister, and Robb Stark, for example. Seeing as how Yandel describes their match, Gerold and Rohanne seem to fit that list. And I specifically stated how Gerold did not want Coldmoat after the match. As to who said that he would have to have moved to Coldmoat after he married Rohanne.... Rohanne said so, in TSS, that Gerold would not go beyond writing letters because he did not want to leave CR... In other words, he did not want to have to move to Coldmoat, as he wanted to remain at CR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Edward VIII married a divorced American commoner. Gerold Lannister married a widowed fellow Ruling Lady. See the difference? A lady from a far inferior noble house who married and widowed five times and produced no living child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 For Rohanne, Coldmoat was important. CR is better, of course, but Gerold did not have CR until after Cerelle's death... Married to Gerold even before he became Lord of CR, did not mean lost Coldmoat, she could leave a castellan before moving to CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 A great Lord usually doesn't marry for love. We've seen examples in the recent story of those who do. Doran Martell, Tywin Lannister, and Robb Stark, for example. Seeing as how Yandel describes their match, Gerold and Rohanne seem to fit that list. Neither of these dude married a lady who married five times before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Who cares about how often Rohanne was married before. She was still young, and Gerold was not an idiot. The man was well-read and smart, he would have not care about Rohanne's dead husbands if he he liked her. And that he did, as he actually wrote letters to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Married to Gerold even before he became Lord of CR, did not mean lost Coldmoat, she could leave a castellan before moving to CR Moving to Casterly Rock would still mean giving up her power... Sure, she would still have a seat or two somewhere, but in Casterly Rock, she would have no say on anything.. no power.. does that sound like the girl you read about in the Sworn Sword? Neither of these dude married a lady who married five times before And that matters how exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Moving to Casterly Rock would still mean giving up her power... Sure, she would still have a seat or two somewhere, but in Casterly Rock, she would have no say on anything.. no power.. does that sound like the girl you read about in the Sworn Sword? And that matters how exactly? What do you mean she would have no power if she became the first lady of CR? Comparing to that, whatever the "power" she had in Coldmoat means nothing, by Gods, she had to be vigilance for the aggression from some very minor noble house there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Who cares about how often Rohanne was married before. You must kidding, even in our days, a woman married five times before would not be her "catch point" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 What do you mean she would have no power if she became the first lady of CR? Comparing to that, whatever the "power" she had in Coldmoat means nothing, by Gods, she had to be vigilance for the aggression from some very minor noble house there She would be the Lady of CR after Cerelle and Tybolt had died. You argue that she would have married Gerold and moved to CR before their deaths. Had she done that, she would have been the wife of the Lords brother, and next the wife of the Regent... The Regent would have power, she herself barely.. Whilst at Coldmoat, and Osgrey (after Eustace's death), her word would be the law, so to speak. (if that's how you can say it in english) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Lady Webber is middle-ranking nobility, rather than minor nobility. She's two steps down from a Lord Paramount, but well above people like Ser Eustace, or Littlefinger. As such, it's no disgrace for Lord Gerold to marry her.In English terms, it would be like Duke marrying a Baroness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 You must kidding, even in our days, a woman married five times before would not be her "catch point" Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 She would be the Lady of CR after Cerelle and Tybolt had died. You argue that she would have married Gerold and moved to CR before their deaths. Had she done that, she would have been the wife of the Lords brother, and next the wife of the Regent... The Regent would have power, she herself barely.. Whilst at Coldmoat, and Osgrey (after Eustace's death), her word would be the law, so to speak. (if that's how you can say it in english) Gerold Lannister was very powerful before he became the Lord of CR, as his wife, she would play on a much larger plateform, and do not forget that she might well be a lady with a plan when she went to CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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