Arakan Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 The point of this thread is most definitely Ukraine, sogo ahead and start a new thread about your disapproval of some Users.Wow. Keep on going :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 Arakan,Will Russia ever pull its military out of Crimea to allow what you advocate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakan Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Arakan,Will Russia ever pull its military out of Crimea to allow what you advocate?Well I do not work in the foreign ministry but I would guess that Putin is keen to legitimize his fait accompli. The point is: no one in the West is pushing for this solution. Why not?SSA, you are a reasonable guy albeit a little bit stick in the past. Please tell me: why was it ok for Slovenia and Croatia to unilaterally declare independence in 1991 (which caused the break up of a state a 100 times the civilisatory level of Ukraine today)? I believe in the original American spirit (represented by people like FNR) of 1776. I believe in Wilson, I believe in Lincoln and FDR. But I do not believe in the honesty of American foreign policy post 1945. Russia is not my enemy. The world is not black or white even though Someone like Elizabeth thinks so. Tell me SSA, is it ok for someone like Shryke to ridicule other posters just because they have a different opinion? How can we have a serious discussion when some users just want to ridicule other opinions? This does explicitly not include you. FNR, BBE, Fixit or myself are repeatedly attacked on a personal level? Is this the culture of Westeros.org? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Filet Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Tell me SSA, is it ok for someone like Shryke to ridicule other posters just because they have a different opinion? How can we have a serious discussion when some users just want to ridicule other opinions? This does explicitly not include you. FNR, BBE, Fixit or myself are repeatedly attacked on a personal level? Is this the culture of Westeros.org?Arakan,Maybe you would be best suited to answer this question since you so blatantly attacked me on a personal level after I took issue with your argument in the previous thread. Oh the irony.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakan Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Arakan,Maybe you would be best suited to answer this question since you so blatantly attacked me on a personal level after I took issue with your argument in the previous thread. Oh the irony..You compared a potential independence of a country which already was independent at the time of Charlemagne with independence of your backyard garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionAhaiReborn Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I believe in Truman. But I do not believe in the honesty of American foreign policy post 1945. Harry Truman, President, 1945-1953. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakan Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Harry Truman, President, 1945-1953.Sorry sorry. Woodrow Wilson. I apologize for this mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB. Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 This derailing is.. just wow.Arakan, if you want to flirt with ser Scot, or talk about the presidents of the USA, start a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakan Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 This derailing is.. just wow.Arakan, if you want to flirt with ser Scot, or talk about the presidents of the USA, start a new thread.I am sorry that you cant see the hollistic picture. Whatever. Last question for you: would you accept a referendum wrt Crimean independence under full UN/OSCE control and supervision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Shryke you are not as smart as you think you are :). But keep on attacking users on a personal level just because they have a different opinion. I like it :) I didn't attack anyone on a personal level, I pointed out the argument was stupid. Which it is. But please, do keep the personal attacks up yourself. Your whole facade has been slipping lately. That is not the point. The point is that some Users here a opposed to a democratic decision in Crimea even if Ghandi, Martin Luther King and Mother Teresa would supervise it. Oh really? Whom? Do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Well I do not work in the foreign ministry but I would guess that Putin is keen to legitimize his fait accompli. The point is: no one in the West is pushing for this solution. Why not? Because Russia won't and we all know it. Russia annexed Crimea and everyone has basically decided that it's not going to give it back, so we're all just gonna have to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakan Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I didn't attack anyone on a personal level, I pointed out the argument was stupid. Which it is. But please, do keep the personal attacks up yourself. Your whole facade has been slipping lately.Facade? Who do you think I am? Fantomas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakan Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Because Russia won't and we all know it. Russia annexed Crimea and everyone has basically decided that it's not going to give it back, so we're all just gonna have to accept it.So you say that the majority of Crimeans are now part of the Russian Federation against their will? Is this correct? Just a question :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Arakan,No, we're saying Russia invaded, conqured, and annexed Crimea as though the Tsar were back in power and the desires of the people in Crimea (particularly the Crimean Tartars) no longer seem terribly relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Arakan,No, we're saying Russia invaded, conqured, and annexed Crimea as though the Tsar were back in power and the desires of the people in Crimea (particularly the Crimean Tartars) no longer seem terribly relevant.So, shouldn't somebody ask the people in Crimea for their desires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Do the aboriginal Crimean Tartars get shipped off again if the majority so desires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Of course not since that would be a crime against basic human rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 BBE,So, the Circassians should be allowed to return to their homelands on the Northeast coast of the Black Sea and Russia should admit to its genocide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttree Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 and Americans complain about Putin propaganda. The irony is too big :)Comparing Hollywood and Russian state controlled media. No false equivalence there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 So you say that the majority of Crimeans are now part of the Russian Federation against their will? Is this correct? Just a question :) What's your proof they aren't? Why is a majority enough? Do 50% -1 of Crimeans not get a say in having their land forcibly annexed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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