Can "punching down" humor ever work?

[Typhoon Swell]

No the appropriate response to a heckler is this https://youtu.be/N8gXUUtZ0gw

[eyenon15]

Escorting someone out who is disruptive seems like an appropriate response. Telling someone she should be raped, not appropriate.

well he did the podium and apology thing that famous people have to do whenever certain people are offended. So I think he agrees it wasn't appropriate.

[Dr. Pepper]

No the appropriate response to a heckler is this https://youtu.be/N8gXUUtZ0gw

Yeah, there is never anything appropriate about suggesting someone be raped. ffs

ETA: And in case you aren't aware, no, it's not funny when someone is raped.

[eyenon15]

I don't think we have many instances of people laughing at someone being raped.

I don't know of any.

[karaddin]

You're still miles off base eyenon. Being governed by a moral imperative would have comedians choosing not to tell rape jokes of their own accord. Not because the government told them to, but because they aren't funny and contribute to a harmful element of society. I never said anything about the audience intervening in the show other than an objection based on offensiveness is different to heckling.

I have no issue with someone who does object being escorted out even if I share their objection to the joke. I do have massive problems with the entitlement complex of male comedians that think responses like that displayed by Tosh or the incident I mentioned recently in Australia are appropriate. "Wouldn't it be funny if 5 guys raped her right now" isn't funny in any context ever, and simply announces the guy uttering it is an asshole.

Comedy governed by a moral imperative would only punch up, or not punch at all. It would not take a dump all over minority groups that contributes to their oppression. But before you once again invoke that spectre of censorship, I'm not calling for the government to enforce it. I'd like the market to primarily support those that live up to it though.

[karaddin]

I don't think we have many instances of people laughing at someone being raped.

I don't know of any.

So you've never seen a prison rape joke ever? I call bullshit, they are everywhere and seen as utterly acceptable. They aren't.

[Dr. Pepper]

I don't think we have many instances of people laughing at someone being raped.

I don't know of any.

Err, two comedians have already been introduced to this thread who have made it a point to turn a person being raped or potentially raped into a joke. And you have repeatedly said that this was ok and those who object are humorless or disruptive and deserve what they get.

[eyenon15]

That's your opinion don't throw out shit like entitlement complex just because someone doesn't align exactly with your version of morality.

like I said, if I was to put pressure on anyone about rape it won't be at comedians trying to be funny. I'm a rape victim and that's never bothered me.

id rather that movies tv and literature not to write or act out rape scenes, that shit bothers me to watch or read

Oh and there was plenty of female laughter for Tosh so don't throw that gender shit out there.

[eyenon15]

Err, two comedians have already been introduced to this thread who have made it a point to turn a person being raped or potentially raped into a joke. And you have repeatedly said that this was ok and those who object are humorless or disruptive and deserve what they get.

None of this shows that anyone laughed at a rape victim

[Typhoon Swell]

Daniel Tosh is an asshole. Fuck him.

George Carlin is a genius though if you're not laughing you're misunderstanding.

[karaddin]

I call it an entitlement complex because they are enraged at the idea of someone questioning them, there would be plenty of comedians whose politics align with mine that I'd label as entitled too. It's not like agreeing with me politically stops me from criticising someone, for the 4th time in this thread I'll say TDS and Colbert have both been frequently guilty of jokes I thought were offensive. I haven't seen them go off in the face of being called out, but if they did I'd call them entitled too.

As for rape sensitivity, surely as a survivor yourself with certain things that offend you more than others you can see that what offends varies individually and some might find comedy the most offensive medium.

[Typhoon Swell]

Hecklers are free game (however stupid) and if the guy on the stage can't handle it he doesn't deserve to be there.

[eyenon15]

I call it an entitlement complex because they are engaged at the idea of someone questioning them, there would be plenty of comedians whose politics align with mine that I'd label as entitled too. It's not like agreeing with me politically stops me from criticising someone, for the 4th time in this thread I'll say TDS and Colbert have both been frequently guilty of homes

Not all entitlement is a complex.

I'm entitled to eat my dinner, it doesn't mean I have a complex if I disagree with someone who claims me eating my dinner is morally wrong

[karaddin]

And someone thought my comparison of falling over to a car crash was idiotic.

[Typhoon Swell]

In this context it is idiotic.

[eyenon15]

As for rape sensitivity, surely as a survivor yourself with certain things that offend you more than others you can see that what offends varies individually and some might find comedy the most offensive medium.

Which is why it doesn't make sense for everybody to get everything that offends them removed. There will be nothing left if anything that offends someone can't exist.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Commodore,

SJWs trolling for grievances is exhausting

if you let someone's words offend you, that's a you problem

Can no one save us from these terrible "Social Justice Warriors???"

[Typhoon Swell]

That SJW shit died a long slow death months ago. Let it stay dead.

[karaddin]

Who is getting anything removed? There is no one with power here saying you CAN'T do this. I'm saying I judge your comedy if you do this, and I think you should exercise sensitivity in approaching certain topics. Every fucking argument somehow ends up arguing against this straw man that someone with power is somehow dictating what is and isn't acceptable. I'm stating my own personal opinion as a tiny powerless individual of what I'd like comedians to do, and that I think comedians like Tosh are fuckheads. If enough people agree with me than the wonderful mechanism of the market will change things to a product more in line with what people want to consume, and even in that situation I'm sure there will continue to be people doing offensive comedy because that's their shtick,

That said the objections to rape jokes aren't only that they are triggering for survivors but also that they cause material harm in the real world in the attitudes toward women and towards rape survivors that they cause. For example I would say that the preponderance of prison rape jokes has contributed to a population that thinks inmates being raped as part of the punishment for their crimes is perfectly OK. I say that's abhorrent, if you want to put torture in someones sentence have it be an official part of the sentence, but rape should never be condoned under any circumstances. The perpetuation of the belief that it's OK under *some* circumstances opens up wiggle room for it being OK under others.

[eyenon15]

Who is getting anything removed? There is no one with power here saying you CAN'T do this. I'm saying I judge your comedy if you do this, and I think you should exercise sensitivity in approaching certain topics. Every fucking argument somehow ends up arguing against this straw man that someone with power is somehow dictating what is and isn't acceptable. I'm stating my own personal opinion as a tiny powerless individual of what I'd like comedians to do, and that I think comedians like Tosh are fuckheads. If enough people agree with me than the wonderful mechanism of the market will change things to a product more in line with what people want to consume, and even in that situation I'm sure there will continue to be people doing offensive comedy because that's their shtick,

That said the objections to rape jokes aren't only that they are triggering for survivors but also that they cause material harm in the real world in the attitudes toward women and towards rape survivors that they cause. For example I would say that the preponderance of prison rape jokes has contributed to a population that thinks inmates being raped as part of the punishment for their crimes is perfectly OK. I say that's abhorrent, if you want to put torture in someones sentence have it be an official part of the sentence, but rape should never be condoned under any circumstances. The perpetuation of the belief that it's OK under *some* circumstances opens up wiggle room for it being OK under others.

fair enough, you are certainly entitled to your opinion as we all are.

like someone could question if it were appropriate for you to be lecturing about sensitivity.but it would be just an opinion.