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Technically, no. He has a claim to the title of King in the North as Robb's heir, but following Robb's death and the defeat of his army, the North effectively surrenders to the Iron Throne. The title of King in the North would have been dissolved.


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Except for Manderly, the Boltons, Theon, the Liddle, and Sam.

Manderly knows about Rickon, but I don't think he does about Bran. He specifically calls Rickon his liege lord, why would he do that if he knew about Bran? The Boltons aren't about to admit to any Starks being alive as that would undermine their claim. No one's going to believe anything Theon has to say, as "I didn't really burn the Stark boys" is a rather self-serving statement. The random Liddle didn't ask their names as I recall and the chances of a mountain clansman knowing the second son of Ned Stark on sight seems low. Sam didn't even tell Jon, so I don't think he's going to blab either.

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Manderly knows about Rickon, but I don't think he does about Bran. He specifically calls Rickon his liege lord, why would he do that if he knew about Bran? The Boltons aren't about to admit to any Starks being alive as that would undermine their claim. No one's going to believe anything Theon has to say, as "I didn't really burn the Stark boys" is a rather self-serving statement. The random Liddle didn't ask their names as I recall and the chances of a mountain clansman knowing the second son of Ned Stark on sight seems low. Sam didn't even tell Jon, so I don't think he's going to blab either.

Manderly knows Bran is alive he just doesn't know exactly where he is, and the Liddle definitely knows it was Bran.

The point I was trying to make is that quite a few people know Bran is alive.

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We dont know what was exactly in Robbs will, but we do know Robb thought Bran and RIckon were dead when he wrote it. More than likely, he would have named Bran as his heir, possibly with Jon as his regent, but thats beyond speculation.



The majority of Northern lords and Riverlords that made up Robb's kingdom bent the knee to Tommen. So that puts a big kink in the King in the North entity.



Regarding Manderly, this has been discussed at length in other threads, he is pretty careful with his words, and may not mean exactly what it seems he mean. He tells Davos to bring him his liege lord, and then he will bend the knee to Stannis...but this could be a pretty clever way of getting Rickon back, while allowing for Manderly to avoid bending any knees - Rickon is no one's liege lord while Bran lives.



Since there is no clear structure still in tact from Robb's kingdom (that we know about, we dont know how organized or coherent the GNC is, if it exists), this will only be answered when poeple that would be his subjects find out Bran lives. If they raise him up as king, he's king.


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We dont know what was exactly in Robbs will, but we do know Robb thought Bran and RIckon were dead when he wrote it. More than likely, he would have named Bran as his heir, possibly with Jon as his regent, but thats beyond speculation.



The majority of Northern lords and Riverlords that made up Robb's kingdom bent the knee to Tommen. So that puts a big kink in the King in the North entity.



Regarding Manderly, this has been discussed at length in other threads, he is pretty careful with his words, and may not mean exactly what it seems he mean. He tells Davos to bring him his liege lord, and then he will bend the knee to Stannis...but this could be a pretty clever way of getting Rickon back, while allowing for Manderly to avoid bending any knees - Rickon is no one's liege lord while Bran lives.



Since there is no clear structure still in tact from Robb's kingdom (that we know about, we dont know how organized or coherent the GNC is, if it exists), this will only be answered when poeple that would be his subjects find out Bran lives. If they raise him up as king, he's king.


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We dont know what was exactly in Robbs will, but we do know Robb thought Bran and RIckon were dead when he wrote it. More than likely, he would have named Bran as his heir, possibly with Jon as his regent, but thats beyond speculation.



The majority of Northern lords and Riverlords that made up Robb's kingdom bent the knee to Tommen. So that puts a big kink in the King in the North entity.



Regarding Manderly, this has been discussed at length in other threads, he is pretty careful with his words, and may not mean exactly what it seems he mean. He tells Davos to bring him his liege lord, and then he will bend the knee to Stannis...but this could be a pretty clever way of getting Rickon back, while allowing for Manderly to avoid bending any knees - Rickon is no one's liege lord while Bran lives.



Since there is no clear structure still in tact from Robb's kingdom (that we know about, we dont know how organized or coherent the GNC is, if it exists), this will only be answered when poeple that would be his subjects find out Bran lives. If they raise him up as king, he's king.


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We dont know what was exactly in Robbs will, but we do know Robb thought Bran and RIckon were dead when he wrote it. More than likely, he would have named Bran as his heir, possibly with Jon as his regent, but thats beyond speculation.



The majority of Northern lords and Riverlords that made up Robb's kingdom bent the knee to Tommen. So that puts a big kink in the King in the North entity.



Regarding Manderly, this has been discussed at length in other threads, he is pretty careful with his words, and may not mean exactly what it seems he mean. He tells Davos to bring him his liege lord, and then he will bend the knee to Stannis...but this could be a pretty clever way of getting Rickon back, while allowing for Manderly to avoid bending any knees - Rickon is no one's liege lord while Bran lives.



Since there is no clear structure still in tact from Robb's kingdom (that we know about, we dont know how organized or coherent the GNC is, if it exists), this will only be answered when poeple that would be his subjects find out Bran lives. If they raise him up as king, he's king.


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We dont know what was exactly in Robbs will, but we do know Robb thought Bran and RIckon were dead when he wrote it. More than likely, he would have named Bran as his heir, possibly with Jon as his regent, but thats beyond speculation.



The majority of Northern lords and Riverlords that made up Robb's kingdom bent the knee to Tommen. So that puts a big kink in the King in the North entity.



Regarding Manderly, this has been discussed at length in other threads, he is pretty careful with his words, and may not mean exactly what it seems he mean. He tells Davos to bring him his liege lord, and then he will bend the knee to Stannis...but this could be a pretty clever way of getting Rickon back, while allowing for Manderly to avoid bending any knees - Rickon is no one's liege lord while Bran lives.



Since there is no clear structure still in tact from Robb's kingdom (that we know about, we dont know how organized or coherent the GNC is, if it exists), this will only be answered when poeple that would be his subjects find out Bran lives. If they raise him up as king, he's king.


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I find this to be a tricky subject, since there's no oficial organization or power from which a land obtains it's recognition as a kingdom, other than Iron Throne saying "you know what? Screw it, you guys can be independent".



And while Robb was made king by his lords, he ultimately fail to establish a kingdom of his own and now the North is back to its former self with the Boltons at the head. The northeners approving or not of this doesn't really matter since Robb lost and everything was reinstated as it was before: A North subjected to a central authority.


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