Lord Wraith Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 A month seems way to short based on comments about Cerseis wagon going extremely slow, 50 miles a day is a long haul for an army not a queen, and its like a 2k mile trek. It would take 40 days at a 50 mile a day pace, and it is extremely doubtful that they travelled that fast. I seem to recall Arya or Sansa mentioning the time it took them to cross the Neck? If we can find that a simple ruler can finish the job. Sansa also mentions a time frame from when Ser Wymer came threw, and we get a timeframe from Mormont on Ser Wymer as well. The wheelhouse is the main reason for the slowness of the travel. Perhaps we can try to calculate the time Tyrion and Yoren's trip from Winterfell to the Crossroads inn which is in Darry Lands. Then 14 days from Darry Lands to KL as Blue Eyes said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 The wheelhouse is the main reason for the slowness of the travel. Perhaps we can try to calculate the time Tyrion and Yoren's trip from Winterfell to the Crossroads inn which is in Darry Lands. Then 14 days from Darry Lands to KL as Blue Eyes said. Well after 18 days, Tyrion still is on the KR on his way to the Wall, with the mountains to his left, and dark woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashless Society Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Perhaps we can try to calculate the time Tyrion and Yoren's trip from Winterfell to the Crossroads inn which is in Darry Lands. Thought it was agreed that this trip was improbable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The wheelhouse is the main reason for the slowness of the travel. Perhaps we can try to calculate the time Tyrion and Yoren's trip from Winterfell to the Crossroads inn which is in Darry Lands. Then 14 days from Darry Lands to KL as Blue Eyes said. Tyrion is just plain teleporting. That's a well-known problem for the timeline. Even at the estimates engineered to be the best dates for that (and those are truly engineered), he's travelling 90+ miles per day for an entire month. That's slightly worse than the pony express - but those guys changed horses every 12 miles, riders every 50 miles and were well-paid specialists, not dwarfs on a journey of leisure Frankly, that speed is something competitions in endurance riding achieve, for the better riders - for one or two days, no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The wheelhouse is the main reason for the slowness of the travel. Perhaps we can try to calculate the time Tyrion and Yoren's trip from Winterfell to the Crossroads inn which is in Darry Lands. Then 14 days from Darry Lands to KL as Blue Eyes said. That was shown to be a mistake on Martin. Tyrion could have never travelled that fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCat Rivers Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 It seems that regarding timeline issues, the best we can hope for is a clear picture of the succession of events. Plausibility of time they take and/or interval between them does not make sense to be questioned, we had better just accepted it as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashless Society Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 It seems that regarding timeline issues, the best we can hope for is a clear picture of the succession of events. Plausibility of time they take and/or interval between them does not make sense to be questioned, we had better just accepted it as it is. It's this line of thinking that leads to things like Euron=Daario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 It seems that regarding timeline issues, the best we can hope for is a clear picture of the succession of events. Plausibility of time they take and/or interval between them does not make sense to be questioned, we had better just accepted it as it is. Most actually do. Tyrion's teleport is the exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 ^No its not, as long as we have an order of events we have a pretty clear picture. GRRM himself has admitted that he makes those kinds of mistakes, like giving the Hound 100k gold dragons and Tyrions travel time etc. He specifically said he did not want people combing over maps with rulers, we do it anyway and then we are surprised when things don't work out. Euron = Dario comes out of either trolling or a fundamental misunderstanding of the reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCat Rivers Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 It's this line of thinking that leads to things like Euron=Daario. Nope. It takes a hell more than that to come up with such things. Like, tons of time to kill and unlimited cache of dope among others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Speechwriter Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Don't be confused by modern politics. Any important decision could wait a year or two - apart from KL itself, the message to do anything would take a couple months anyway. I don't know about that. I guess it depends on what you label important. Certainly you'd have disputes between lords, but I suppose your Master of Laws could settle those. Of course, our ravens mean Bobby doesn't have to deal with the inconveniences of medieval kings, so if there's an invasion or someone in high office croaks I suppose you could respond pretty quickly. Unless the whole reason Bobby's at WF is that appointing someone to high office by raven is rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I don't know about that. I guess it depends on what you label important. Certainly you'd have disputes between lords, but I suppose your Master of Laws could settle those. Of course, our ravens mean Bobby doesn't have to deal with the inconveniences of medieval kings, so if there's an invasion or someone in high office croaks I suppose you could respond pretty quickly. Unless the whole reason Bobby's at WF is that appointing someone to high office by raven is rude. Those Lords would need to travel a couple months to reach the judge themselves. Cases like these could take decades and even centuries. Ambassadors had near-unlimited powers to account for travel times and so did military commanders. Governing on that level of technology is slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 I don't know about that. I guess it depends on what you label important. Certainly you'd have disputes between lords, but I suppose your Master of Laws could settle those. Of course, our ravens mean Bobby doesn't have to deal with the inconveniences of medieval kings, so if there's an invasion or someone in high office croaks I suppose you could respond pretty quickly. Unless the whole reason Bobby's at WF is that appointing someone to high office by raven is rude. Well there is Varys who dispatches a rider from KL to Robert with the news of Dany's wedding to Khal Drogo, after receiving a message from Jorah from Pentos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon89 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 What I wonder though is why they took a slow land route. They could have taken a boat to White Harbor and went up the White Knife and then made for Winterfell. Spending 1/2 a year travelling seems a colossal waste of time for a King. Politically all they would just bump into a few minor Riverlords and some Freys so no real benefit to a procession. Unless Robert just wants to ride and hunt and drink. Judging from AGoT: Eddard II, thats exactly what he wants to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It takes Ned and court a fortnight to travel from Darry to King's Landing, it takes 12 days to cross the Neck, and it takes 8 days to reach the Barrowlands from Winterfell. Take out the Lands of Ice and Fire maps, compare those distances to the distance still not accounted for, and compare. The distance between Darry and the Neck appears similar to the distance from Darry to KL, so another fortnight. And the distance from Winterfell to the Neck seems similar to the distance of the Neck itself (at least, the length of the Kingsguard passing through the Neck), so another 12 days. All together, travelling alone would already take (14 + 12)x2 = 52 days. That would be Robert's trip from King's Landing to Winterfell, give or take. Perhaps a few days longer, as the fortnight we get for Darry to KL seems to have been travelled with a bit of haste (due to the tensions between Stark and Lannister). Likewise, the journey from Winterfell to KL will have taken longer due to Robert's stops to hunt (at least 2 days, but I imagine more), and Arya being missing (4 days). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 It takes Ned and court a fortnight to travel from Darry to King's Landing, it takes 12 days to cross the Neck, and it takes 8 days to reach the Barrowlands from Winterfell. Take out the Lands of Ice and Fire maps, compare those distances to the distance still not accounted for, and compare. The distance between Darry and the Neck appears similar to the distance from Darry to KL, so another fortnight. And the distance from Winterfell to the Neck seems similar to the distance of the Neck itself (at least, the length of the Kingsguard passing through the Neck), so another 12 days. All together, travelling alone would already take (14 + 12)x2 = 52 days. That would be Robert's trip from King's Landing to Winterfell, give or take. Perhaps a few days longer, as the fortnight we get for Darry to KL seems to have been travelled with a bit of haste (due to the tensions between Stark and Lannister). Likewise, the journey from Winterfell to KL will have taken longer due to Robert's stops to hunt (at least 2 days, but I imagine more), and Arya being missing (4 days). 8 days from WF to border of Barrowlands. From there to the Neck seems same distance. So I think that's 16 days. Then the 12 days from Moat Cailin to the Twins, aka the Neck. And then yes 2 x fornight. I have a rough estimate of 56 days, without hunting/stopping, which is 8 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It takes Ned and court a fortnight to travel from Darry to King's Landing, it takes 12 days to cross the Neck, and it takes 8 days to reach the Barrowlands from Winterfell. Take out the Lands of Ice and Fire maps, compare those distances to the distance still not accounted for, and compare. The distance between Darry and the Neck appears similar to the distance from Darry to KL, so another fortnight. And the distance from Winterfell to the Neck seems similar to the distance of the Neck itself (at least, the length of the Kingsguard passing through the Neck), so another 12 days. All together, travelling alone would already take (14 + 12)x2 = 52 days. That would be Robert's trip from King's Landing to Winterfell, give or take. Perhaps a few days longer, as the fortnight we get for Darry to KL seems to have been travelled with a bit of haste (due to the tensions between Stark and Lannister). Likewise, the journey from Winterfell to KL will have taken longer due to Robert's stops to hunt (at least 2 days, but I imagine more), and Arya being missing (4 days). Two and a half months, close to three. 25 miles per day in the Riverlands, about 27 miles per day in the Neck (if I put the borders in the right place) and similarly in the Barrowlands, where there is no decent border anyway. 1620 miles, ~25 miles per day, sixty-something days. Plus rest-days. Damn good speed. Armies manage about 12 miles per day. That's what I did as well, just broken down to miles per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCat Rivers Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I came by this SSM in another thread (thanks to The Twinslayer) and I thought it fitting to repost it here: I do intend to publish a timeline as an appendix in one or other of the later volumes, but even when I do, I am not certain I'm going to start detailing things down to months and days. With such a huge cast of characters, just keeping track of the =years= drives me half mad sometimes. Not to mention the colors of everybody's eyes. So I guess we have to content ourselves with approximate time spans that do not clash with logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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