Blade of Sunlight Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 He was her dream husband, so unless he was a very bad husband she wouldn't cheat. It's worth noting that she never "cheated" on Jamie, since she loved Rahegar even more she would probably be faithful, so long as he was nice to her and mantained his looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, kimim said: We are talking about a marriage where one partner is a paranoid, narcissistic sociopath. Cersei would fuck up any marriage, be it to Robert, or to the most saintly, sexy, faithful male in the universe. I see zero evidence in Cersei's behavior that "Robert drove her to it." Robert didn't need to. She entered the marriage a sociopath, she remained a sociopath for its duration, and she left it a sociopath. Sure, it seems like you believe if a person is a sociopath, then he/she is always a sociopath since a young kid and also he/she remains sociopath on everything he/she encounter in the life. So in your mind, Cersei was born with sin as a sociopath and she continues to be like this until the end of life. right? I am afraid this contradicts with the science. I mean, you can take Cersei as mountain or ramsey, pure bad person. But GRRM did bother to make her slightly different than what you thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, Blade of Sunlight said: He was her dream husband, so unless he was a very bad husband she wouldn't cheat. It's worth noting that she never "cheated" on Jamie, since she loved Rahegar even more she would probably be faithful, so long as he was nice to her and mantained his looks. Where is the disillusion coming from? She cheated on Jaime with Lancel, Osmund Kettleblack and Moonboy for all I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade of Sunlight Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Hangover of the Morning said: Where is the disillusion coming from? She cheated on Jaime with Lancel, Osmund Kettleblack and Moonboy for all I know. After he disappeared and when he changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just now, Blade of Sunlight said: After he disappeared and when he changed. You mean wasn't as pretty without the hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade of Sunlight Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just now, Hangover of the Morning said: You mean wasn't as pretty without the hand? Yup, let us not forget that she settled for Jamie and half her personality was due to Maggie the Frog, if she had married Rhaegar that whole incident would have been avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thuckey Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 If Cersei had indeed fallen in love with Rhaegar like she imagined so (thinking things like "The wrong man came back from the trident" etc.) then I think Jamie would not be able to take it. His love and passion for her runs deep even more so than Cersei's love for him. Perhaps instead of him being the "Kinglslayer" he would instead have became the "Princeslayer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedam Targaryen Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 She'd definitely cheat. Maybe not as early as with Robert, and I'd bet the idea of a little Rhaegar was a lot better to Cercei than a Robert Jr, but she'd still cheat. However, I think Jamie had much more respect for Rhaegar than Robert, so he might have denied Cercei if Rhaegar was king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I have a question. So when Cersei slept with Lancel and Kettleblack, she is a widow of Robert . And Jaime technically is her paramour, one of her partners. Do you think this is cheating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallTale Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, purple-eyes said: I have a question. So when Cersei slept with Lancel and Kettleblack, she is a widow of Robert . And Jaime technically is her paramour, one of her partners. Do you think this is cheating? Considering how sacred Jaime took their relationship I would say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, Blade of Sunlight said: Yup, let us not forget that she settled for Jamie and half her personality was due to Maggie the Frog, if she had married Rhaegar that whole incident would have been avoided. Cersei almost certainly murdered her best friend right after she heard the prophecy because she hated the fact that she had a crush on Jaime She was also incredibly cruel to Tyrion before she heard anything about the valonquar. She was a bad egg from the start and whilst Tywin, Robert, Maggy and Joanna's death might have added to her unhinged personality, she's always had a tendency to be cruel, narcissistic and unstable. She had a crush on Rhaegar at her young age because he was beautiful and the most eligible bachelor and because marrying him would make her the no. 1 lady and the envy of the realm. As evident from her POV, she's extremely narcissistic and totally disillusioned about herself and her personalities. She blames everyone but herself for anything that goes wrong. She's clinging to the idea of how her life would be perfect if she married Rhaegar the same way how Robert was under the illusion that having Lyanna would have made him happy and sorted all his problems. She's extremely selfish and self-obsessed and doesn't do anything for anyone else. If Rhaegar had displease her in some way, she'll gladly cuckold him out of spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Hangover of the Morning said: Cersei almost certainly murdered her best friend right after she heard the prophecy because she hated the fact that she had a crush on Jaime She was also incredibly cruel to Tyrion before she heard anything about the valonquar. She was a bad egg from the start and whilst Tywin, Robert, Maggy and Joanna's death might have added to her unhinged personality, she's always had a tendency to be cruel, narcissistic and unstable. She had a crush on Rhaegar at her young age because he was beautiful and the most eligible bachelor and because marrying him would make her the no. 1 lady and the envy of the realm. As evident from her POV, she's extremely narcissistic and totally disillusioned about herself and her personalities. She blames everyone but herself for anything that goes wrong. She's clinging to the idea of how her life would be perfect if she married Rhaegar the same way how Robert was under the illusion that having Lyanna would have made him happy and sorted all his problems. She's extremely selfish and self-obsessed and doesn't do anything for anyone else. If Rhaegar had displease her in some way, she'll gladly cuckold him out of spite. Sounds like what Lyanna was thinking when she eloped with rhaegar (except Rhaegar was married but Lyanna ignored this and treated Elia as dead woman). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, purple-eyes said: Sounds like what Lyanna was thinking when she eloped with rhaegar (except Rhaegar was married but Lyanna ignored this and treated Elia as dead woman). We never had Lyanna's POV so we can't really tell if she was really that cynical, or if she was genuinely in love or if other factors where in the play. We have, however, a pretty good idea of what kind of person Cersei is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade of Sunlight Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 12 minutes ago, Hangover of the Morning said: Cersei almost certainly murdered her best friend right after she heard the prophecy because she hated the fact that she had a crush on Jaime She was also incredibly cruel to Tyrion before she heard anything about the valonquar. She was a bad egg from the start and whilst Tywin, Robert, Maggy and Joanna's death might have added to her unhinged personality, she's always had a tendency to be cruel, narcissistic and unstable. She had a crush on Rhaegar at her young age because he was beautiful and the most eligible bachelor and because marrying him would make her the no. 1 lady and the envy of the realm. As evident from her POV, she's extremely narcissistic and totally disillusioned about herself and her personalities. She blames everyone but herself for anything that goes wrong. She's clinging to the idea of how her life would be perfect if she married Rhaegar the same way how Robert was under the illusion that having Lyanna would have made him happy and sorted all his problems. She's extremely selfish and self-obsessed and doesn't do anything for anyone else. If Rhaegar had displease her in some way, she'll gladly cuckold him out of spite. She was self absorbed because she was a little girl, and she was mean to Tyrion because as far as she knew he killed her mother (she was probably emulating Tywin), killing her friend was the traumatic result of Maggie's prediction, which would never have happened in the first place if she was to marry Rhaegar. I'm not saying she would be a saint, but she would not be as f... up as she is, maybe enough for her to remain faithful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Hangover of the Morning said: We never had Lyanna's POV so we can't really tell if she was really that cynical, or if she was genuinely in love or if other factors where in the play. We have, however, a pretty good idea of what kind of person Cersei is. Talking about this, did Sansa genuinely love Loras? did Robert genuinely love Lyanna? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 1 hour ago, King Floki of the Ironborn said: Cersei wasn't always mad, to be fair. I think it's something she came to over time. There's the death of her mother at an early age, her unnatural love for Jaime, her emotionally unavailable father, and basically being treated as a highly valuable prize to be won by the most deserving bidder. Not to mention how her beloved first child turned out to be a monster, only to die in his mother's arms. And also her paranoia built over the years that she was fated to lose all she had and be murdered by her younger brother. All of that would scar anyone psychologically. Yeah she was. She pushed Melara down the well when she was 11 or 12. She abused Tyrion when he was a baby. She is a bad person and was always bad and would most certainly have come to hate Rhaegar the same way she hated Robert, the same way she hates basically everyone in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 She would have fallen for heavenly Rhaegar and get frustrated at not being able to "reach" his cloud of holy melancholyness and perfection. She would have cheated on him but I think deep down her guts she'd leave Jaime if she could get a true hold on that perfect Targ, just because it proves she is as perfect as perfect can be to catch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Not sure about Cersei, honestly. But I am sure rhaegar would cheat on Cersei whenever he see a woman called Lyanna Stark. So if Cersei cheat on him after this, then I would say it is even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, purple-eyes said: Not sure about Cersei, honestly. But I am sure rhaegar would cheat on Cersei whenever he see a woman called Lyanna Stark. So if Cersei cheat on him after this, then I would say it is even. Nonsense, Rhaegar would never looked at plain tomboyish Lyanna if he had the most beautiful woman in his bed. Or so Cersei would make us believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Hangover of the Morning said: Nonsense, Rhaegar would never looked at plain tomboyish Lyanna if he had the most beautiful woman in his bed. Or so Cersei would make us believe. You are so wrong. This whole giant book is based on the destined love story of Rhaegar and Lyanna. Nobody can stop them from loving and eloping. They were born for each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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