house of dayne Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I have been wondering why the red temple in essos has not done more to support stannis' claim to the iron throne...melisandre is convinced that he is azor ahai reborn and i always assumed that she was one of the more powerful members of her sect..and yet, no help in the form of money or troops is ever offered to stannis..is melisandre alone in her belief and has she failed to convince others in her visions...is she a rogue agent on her own personal agenda or was she sent by someone more powerful...we know the temple is rich and powerful and has westrosi ambitions given they sent thoros of myr earlier..we also know stannis represents their best chance to expand into westeros...we also know stannis is desperate for any and all help...while i understand the volantene temple attraction to dany and her dragons, stannis is actually fighting under the flaming heart of r'hllor and is supposedly azor ahai...even if they dont buy melisandres view of prophesy, from a political point of view, stannis is a gift to the red temple...and their best chance to claim the iron throne for r'hllor... And yet they barely seem to even know stannis is even alive and do little and less to help him..whats the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Well, Martin has confirmed that Mel has her own agenda. http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Asshai.com_Interview_in_Barcelona/ - Why did Melisandre seek out Stannis? Did she see him in her flames and decided to seek him out on her own, or is she on a mission on behalf of the red priests? It doesn't seem at any point as if the latter is the case, when you compare to Moqorro who has been sent out by the priesthood. - You're right. Melisandre has gone to Stannis entirely on her own, and has her own agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
house of dayne Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 This begs the question...is melisandre really a priestess of r'hllor or is she really a shadowbinder of asshai disgised as such..we have seen jaqen hagar feign worship of the red god to advance his fm mission so it is not without precedence in the text...aside from her red robes and fiery rhetoric she has no proof she is of the temple at all...her knowledge of the asshai tonque and their shadow magic does link her to asshai...what link exists that would corroberate the fact that melisandre even belongs to the temple? At this point the high sparrow and the faiths militant would be a far greater boon to stannis than the red temple as melisandre has completely failed to draw even a token show of support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Well, lots and lots from her chapter in Dance seem to confirm that she is a red priestess. The quote by Martin above does as well. And there's nothing anywhere saying she can't be both a priestess of Red Rahloo and a shadowbinder. In fact, that seems to be exactly the case. Also, I really don't think Jaqen feigned worship of R'hollor to further his agenda. When he says (paraphrasing) that "the red god is owed three deaths", it's just because the three Arya saved, including Jaqen, would have been killed by the fire, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
house of dayne Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 14 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Well, lots and lots from her chapter in Dance seem to confirm that she is a red priestess. The quote by Martin above does as well. And there's nothing anywhere saying she can't be both a priestess of Red Rahloo and a shadowbinder. In fact, that seems to be exactly the case. Also, I really don't think Jaqen feigned worship of R'hollor to further his agenda. When he says (paraphrasing) that "the red god is owed three deaths", it's just because the three Arya saved, including Jaqen, would have been killed by the fire, imo. If she is of the temple, why is she completely alone and why has the temple taken no intrest in the most important convert they have ever had in westeros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 She is a red priestess, even if we don't know where exactly she became one, nor to which temple she belongs. That doesn't mean she can't have her own agenda as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHodorThatWasPromised Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 We know from the books that most R'hllor priests in Essos, especially Volantis, preach that Dany is Azor Ahai, so why would they support Stannis ? It is quite possible that she saw a vision of Stannis and falsly interpreted it as Azor Ahai. Melisandres track record of reading her visions correctly isn't exactly impressive. It seems that her visions are correct, but they rarely means what she thinks they mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 24 minutes ago, house of dayne said: If she is of the temple, why is she completely alone and why has the temple taken no intrest in the most important convert they have ever had in westeros? Because like any organisation, the Red Priests is not a single unified entity, but an institution made up of thousands of people, some of whom have their own agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkofWinterfell Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 46 minutes ago, house of dayne said: If she is of the temple, why is she completely alone and why has the temple taken no intrest in the most important convert they have ever had in westeros? Well Stannis supposedly has 20,000 sellswords arriving form the Iron Bank. We've yet to see those though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Agrippa Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 No, Mel is on her own. She may/maynot be a targ, but when it comes down to it, she is just trying to save the world. Stannis and Mel would be a great doctorates paper/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I think the majority is probably right on in this case. Mel is a rogue. The Red Priests all over Essos are singing Dany's praises as AA. Mel decided she found AA in Westeros at least 2 years prior to Dany's coming out. We discount her a LOT because she often misinterprets what she sees in the flames. Truth is, she may end up being more right about AA than anyone and it simply wasn't Stannis. She hasn't yet identified Jon Snow as AA (and I hate him as AA, but what can you do!) but her travels with Stannis have done nothing if not draw her closer and closer to Jon. Don't abandon Mel's talent or skill with the flame, only her ability to interpret what she sees. I wonder if she will ever see her real AA? Poor Stannis, boy did he get the short end of that hero stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bong of Ice and Fire Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Mel went rogue. The position of the red temple in Essos seems to be that Dany is the savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Yeah, Mel is on her own. The temples in Essos think Dany is AAR. She's the only one who think it's Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
house of dayne Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 even if they believe dany is AA, it seems strange that they still would not offer even a token of support for stannis...again, stannis has fought under the flaming heart banner and has, along with much of his court, officially converted to r'hllor...and not without much cost...aside from melisandre he has gotten nothing but alienation from the seven in return...dany meanwhile has shown no inclination towards the red temple if she even knows they exist...surely the leaders of the red temple would recognize the opportunity stannis represents...and surely news of his war in westeros must have reached them by now...it just seems strange that no effort was ever made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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