The Night Of (HBO)

[Prince of the North]

Yeah, I don't really have much problem with John chasing Duane into the basement, etc. ...yet.  For now, I can chalk it up to John acting a little impulsively.  I hadn't really thought about the steroids possibly effecting his behavior but I really just think of it more along the lines of his obsession with this case getting the better of him.  I think he is somewhat obsessed with it or he could have easily washed his hands of it awhile ago and moved on.

Now, if John doesn't come to his senses and turn around and get out of that basement right away then, yeah, I'll have a problem with that.  I mean, it would be jumping the shark to have him take Duane out with that convenient lead pipe or whatever.  That'd be dumb.

I, too, wonder about the deer head being shown all the time.  It makes me wonder if there's a camera in there or something?  Maybe someone was watching Andrea, saw she had another lover there, and flew into a jealous rage and killed her.  Because it definitely was a crime of passion.  There's no doubt about that!  And we know Andrea's place wasn't secure.  We were shown the back gate/door that wouldn't close properly.  Someone who had a history with Andrea could have known about that, right?      

[fixitwilya]

1 hour ago, Mark Antony said:

It wasn't roids that made him do it. It was being spurned by his hooker girlfriend while on viagra that gave him the balls to do it  

Ha,

I wonder if there was a reason to feature the flaccid penis this episode? First the obvious John's ED due to the steroids, But then what was up in the morgue between the ME and the DA and the picture placement?

[Prince of the North]

1 minute ago, fixitwilya said:

Ha,

I wonder if there was a reason to feature the flaccid penis this episode? First the obvious John's ED due to the steroids, But then what was up in the morgue between the ME and the DA and the picture placement?

Eh, maybe it's just meant to signify how desensitized and uncaring the "system" and those in it are to...everything?

[fixitwilya]

Does anyone think it was a coincidence that Andrea was stabbed 22 times, the same as her age as the DA put it?

And did that include the wound to her hand?

[Commodore]

the key scene was the investigator taking a picture of the blind spot from the front door to the kitchen

i.e. if Naz was passed out in the kitchen, the killer might have entered the home, gone up the stairs, killed the girl, and left without ever realizing Naz was there

popular theories I've seen going around

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- stepfather hired Duane to kill or help kill Andrea (maybe he wanted inheritance from Andrea's mother)

- stepfather owed money to Freddy, Freddy hired Duane to send a message by targetting Andrea, Freddy is trying to pin the murder on Naz

 

 

[fixitwilya]

1 hour ago, Commodore said:

the key scene was the investigator taking a picture of the blind spot from the front door to the kitchen

i.e. if Naz was passed out in the kitchen, the killer might have entered the home, gone up the stairs, killed the girl, and left without ever realizing Naz was there

popular theories I've seen going around

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- stepfather hired Duane to kill or help kill Andrea (maybe he wanted inheritance from Andrea's mother)

- stepfather owed money to Freddy, Freddy hired Duane to send a message by targetting Andrea, Freddy is trying to pin the murder on Naz

 

 

That picture does seem to have some importance, But it would mean the front door was used to enter the house rather than the back door that was left open. Which would mean the intruder would have to have a key, which could work with the first theory. the second one could be plausible but a bit far fetched.

[dbunting]

3 hours ago, Prince of the North said:

Yeah, I don't really have much problem with John chasing Duane into the basement, etc. ...yet.  For now, I can chalk it up to John acting a little impulsively.  I hadn't really thought about the steroids possibly effecting his behavior but I really just think of it more along the lines of his obsession with this case getting the better of him.  I think he is somewhat obsessed with it or he could have easily washed his hands of it awhile ago and moved on.

Now, if John doesn't come to his senses and turn around and get out of that basement right away then, yeah, I'll have a problem with that.  I mean, it would be jumping the shark to have him take Duane out with that convenient lead pipe or whatever.  That'd be dumb.

I, too, wonder about the deer head being shown all the time.  It makes me wonder if there's a camera in there or something?  Maybe someone was watching Andrea, saw she had another lover there, and flew into a jealous rage and killed her.  Because it definitely was a crime of passion.  There's no doubt about that!  And we know Andrea's place wasn't secure.  We were shown the back gate/door that wouldn't close properly.  Someone who had a history with Andrea could have known about that, right?      

Yeah I noticed the deer head right away and thought camera in the eye. My thought is step dad.

1 hour ago, Commodore said:

the key scene was the investigator taking a picture of the blind spot from the front door to the kitchen

i.e. if Naz was passed out in the kitchen, the killer might have entered the home, gone up the stairs, killed the girl, and left without ever realizing Naz was there

popular theories I've seen going around

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- stepfather hired Duane to kill or help kill Andrea (maybe he wanted inheritance from Andrea's mother)

- stepfather owed money to Freddy, Freddy hired Duane to send a message by targetting Andrea, Freddy is trying to pin the murder on Naz

 

 

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I can agree with the step dad, but him doing it, not hiring anyone. I mean Duane being hired by him and then just happening to walk by at the same time, a little to convenient for me.

Same with Freddy, would be to neat and tidy. 

Do we know how many episodes there are?

[fixitwilya]

Total of 8 so 3 eps left

[fixitwilya]

2 hours ago, dbunting said:

Yeah I noticed the deer head right away and thought camera in the eye. My thought is step dad.

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I can agree with the step dad, but him doing it, not hiring anyone. I mean Duane being hired by him and then just happening to walk by at the same time, a little to convenient for me.

Same with Freddy, would be to neat and tidy. 

Do we know how many episodes there are?

What if Trevor and Duane were not just walking by, but actually laying in wait for Andrea? Trevor was so insistent on NOT telling Box or the DA about the actual reason they were there. And then lied about Duane. So if they were hired by stepdad and waiting, but then Naz shows up with her first hindering the plan, he then becomes an asset by leaving him alive to take the rap?

 

[fixitwilya]

Does anyone else think the cat and Naz are living parallel lives?

I noticed cat food and toys, but no litter box. Which means John will have to clean up the cat shit as he now has to clean up Naz's shit about the Amphetamines.

[fixitwilya]

I found the drug passing scene unlikely. In order for that to happen, Freddie had to coincide the visits of John with Naz and Petey with his mom.

Mom removing the balloons was way in the open and visible. the pass off could work. But why did Naz have to swallow them? When he was ready, he called for Tino to get him out of the visitation hall, he could have easily passed the balloons to Tino. who would have just given them to Freddie. No need for the whole gastric trip.

 

 

[Prince of the North]

7 minutes ago, fixitwilya said:

I found the drug passing scene unlikely. In order for that to happen, Freddie had to coincide the visits of John with Naz and Petey with his mom.

Mom removing the balloons was way in the open and visible. the pass off could work. But why did Naz have to swallow them? When he was ready, he called for Tino to get him out of the visitation hall, he could have easily passed the balloons to Tino. who would have just given them to Freddie. No need for the whole gastric trip.

 

 

I don't know how prison/jail visitations are actually conducted...but wouldn't it be standard procedure to search prisoners who had just come from visitation in order to prevent them being given things?

[fixitwilya]

37 minutes ago, Prince of the North said:

I don't know how prison/jail visitations are actually conducted...but wouldn't it be standard procedure to search prisoners who had just come from visitation in order to prevent them being given things?

Of course prisoners  would be searched , but would the guards? you saw how Naz was escorted out by Tino, and lets face it, the guards we have seen so far are just as corrupt as the prisoners they are guarding. Tino is Freddie's personal meat delivery/doorman/valet. And shorty is giving him sex, Happy Meals, And letting them smoke weed in the cell

[Prince of the North]

Just now, fixitwilya said:

Of course prisoners  would be searched , but would the guards? you saw how Naz was escorted out by Tino, and lets face it, the guards we have seen so far are just as corrupt as the prisoners they are guarding. Tino is Freddie's personal meat delivery/doorman/valet. And the other one is giving him sex and Happy Meals.

Yes, good point.  I hadn't really paid attention to the fact that it was Tito.  If some other guard was on "visitation duty" at that time, or if some other guard was doing the search afterwards, then it would necessitate swallowing the contraband.  But, since it was Tito, I don't really see the reason for it

[fixitwilya]

You're right though, if it was not Tino at the door, swallowing would have been the only way out.

[fixitwilya]

Will the knife have Naz's fingerprints or palmprints on it? I remember the tech asking about doing palm and tip prints, but then did not do them because Box did not specifically tell them to do it.

would that make a difference in court?

[Leofric]

7 minutes ago, fixitwilya said:

Will the knife have Naz's fingerprints or palmprints on it? I remember the tech asking about doing palm and tip prints, but then did not do them because Box did not specifically tell them to do it.

would that make a difference in court?

I'm not convinced that the knife Naz had is the actual murder weapon,  it was still on the table where he left it after he accidently stabbed Andrea's hand.   The police just saw that they had a knife with her blood on it and never really compared it that closely to the wounds other than the cursory comment the ME made about blade size at the crime scene.

[Steinman]

They've shown the blood spatter pretty clearly. I'm no Dexter but that upwards pattern to the right indicates that the knife left her body going in that direction too, right?

I'd also like them to spell out what the neighbour actually saw. They're acting like he saw the entrance to the actual killing, but it should be pretty obvious that Nas only entered to fetch something important (making it clear he was acting in a panic - why would he panic if the murder was pre-meditated?).

[fixitwilya]

9 hours ago, Steinman said:

They've shown the blood spatter pretty clearly. I'm no Dexter but that upwards pattern to the right indicates that the knife left her body going in that direction too, right?

I'd also like them to spell out what the neighbour actually saw. They're acting like he saw the entrance to the actual killing, but it should be pretty obvious that Nas only entered to fetch something important (making it clear he was acting in a panic - why would he panic if the murder was pre-meditated?).

The DA saw the footage of the 2 guys leaving the cab, and then Andrea getting in. She then said "he did not want the 2 guys, he wanted the girl, he is laying in wait, and that is premeditation"

Then Later in the morgue she states that the neighbor saw Naz heading to the house without a jacket and came back out a few minutes later with a jacket. Thats when the ME say "like he forgot it" . They also both realize that is when Naz cut his hand on the glass, but they spun it int "His hand slipping from the knife in the act of stabbing" The DA knows exactly what the neighbor saw but is manipulating the evidence to her favor against Naz.

12 hours ago, Leofric said:

I'm not convinced that the knife Naz had is the actual murder weapon,  it was still on the table where he left it after he accidently stabbed Andrea's hand.   The police just saw that they had a knife with her blood on it and never really compared it that closely to the wounds other than the cursory comment the ME made about blade size at the crime scene.

I agree about the knife, but to the police it wont matter. "Here is a knife with the victims blood and the perpetrators prints"

I was just curious about the specific prints on the knife, and will it matter if Naz'z palm prints are on it, where as the techs did not take palm prints from Naz. I also still think the knife may be suppressed in trail due to a breach in the chain of custody of the evidence.

[fixitwilya]

I still cannot get a handle on who was taking the pictures of Salim outside the bodega?