U.S. Election: It's Gonna Be a Huge Thread, It's Gonna Be the Best Thread!

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

26 minutes ago, Kay Fury said:

Look, as a Minnesotan, I can say that while I was not old enough to vote for Ventura (and wouldn't have if I was)- he wasn't a bad governor. It's agreed upon he's super fucking odd and has some crackpot ideas, but nobody really has anything particularly bad to say about the job he did as governor. Some people were embarrassed by the idea of him and he put his foot in his mouth here and there, but as far as actual governance he did pretty well and so so much better than Tim Pawlenty.

I actually agree 100% with this. I just like to joke around about Ventura. He would be remembered more fondly if he had a better relationship with the media when he was governor. He didn't do himself a lot of favors on that front.

[Jace, Extat]

4 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

And the notion that Clinton is a criminal is probably the biggest problem here.

Like, of the two Trump has actually been charged several times with crimes and has settled out of court. Including for rape. Clinton...has not. Ever. Not once. There haven't even been indictments. 

She and Bill did ransack the Whitehouse on their way out the door, though. We know they did it 'cause they wrote a check to pay back the value.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

6 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

And the notion that Clinton is a criminal is probably the biggest problem here.

Like, of the two Trump has actually been charged several times with crimes and has settled out of court. Including for rape. Clinton...has not. Ever. Not once. There haven't even been indictments. 

Have to agree with this too. It's fair to say that you think Clinton is dishonest or a phony, but she isn't a criminal. 

[Maester Drew]

12 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

And the notion that Clinton is a criminal is probably the biggest problem here.

Like, of the two Trump has actually been charged several times with crimes and has settled out of court. Including for rape. Clinton...has not. Ever. Not once. There haven't even been indictments. 

I consider corruption a crime.

[BloodRider]

18 minutes ago, Maester Drew said:

I consider corruption a crime.

Of which you are the judge and jury.

[Kalbear]

16 minutes ago, Maester Drew said:

I consider corruption a crime.

Okay - what has Clinton done that is actually corrupt? Perhaps another way to ask is this: what has Clinton done which Sanders has not done that makes Clinton corrupt?

• Sanders has taken money from the DNC. And PACs, as a result.
• Sanders has gone to bigwig dinners to raise money - for himself and the DNC. 

Clinton has done more of this, that's true - but that doesn't make Sanders innocent.

 

[Mudguard]

41 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

And the notion that Clinton is a criminal is probably the biggest problem here.

Like, of the two Trump has actually been charged several times with crimes and has settled out of court. Including for rape. Clinton...has not. Ever. Not once. There haven't even been indictments. 

When has Trump actually been charged with a crime?  Do you have a citation for this?  You cannot settle a criminal charge out of court; you can only plea bargain for a lesser charge.  However, you can settle a civil suit out of court.  Do you mean that Trump has been involved in civil suits?  If so, being a defendant in a civil suit is not a criminal matter.

[NestorMakhnosLovechild]

50 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

And the notion that Clinton is a criminal is probably the biggest problem here.

Like, of the two Trump has actually been charged several times with crimes and has settled out of court. Including for rape. Clinton...has not. Ever. Not once. There haven't even been indictments. 

I just did a quick google search to confirm, but I am not aware of Donald Trump ever having been criminally charged with any type of sexual assault. What's your source for the claim? 

[lokisnow]

50 minutes ago, Maester Drew said:

I consider corruption a crime.

What corruption?

[Maester Drew]

32 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Okay - what has Clinton done that is actually corrupt? Perhaps another way to ask is this: what has Clinton done which Sanders has not done that makes Clinton corrupt?

• Sanders has taken money from the DNC. And PACs, as a result.
• Sanders has gone to bigwig dinners to raise money - for himself and the DNC. 

Clinton has done more of this, that's true - but that doesn't make Sanders innocent.

 

 

1 minute ago, lokisnow said:

What corruption?

I'm talking about how Hillary is bought by Wall Street.

[Kalbear]

54 minutes ago, NestorMakhnosLovechild said:

I just did a quick google search to confirm, but I am not aware of Donald Trump ever having been criminally charged with any type of sexual assault. What's your source for the claim? 

You're right - it was a civil suit that was settled out of court. He was not charged criminally. The details are here, if you want to see. 

That said, he is actually going to be on trial for Trump university coming up. That's a class-action lawsuit, which is also not a criminal lawsuit, but is still a lot closer to one than anything Clinton has done. 

[Kalbear]

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I'm talking about how Hillary is bought by Wall Street.

So you're saying that the same donors that paid money to see Sanders speak didn't buy him, but did buy Clinton somehow. Got it. And that this makes her a criminal despite no actual evidence of any wrongdoing, legal or otherwise.

[Kalbear]

Also, because it's awesome - was Trump linked to the mafia? Quite a few times, as it turns out. And not just via contractors (which isn't that surprising) or casino work (which is also less surprising) - no, his senior advisor was a mafia money launderer. 

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And there’s Felix Sater, "a twice-convicted Russian émigré who served prison time and had documented mafia connections" and the subject of the ABC story Cruz referenced.

Sater pleaded guilty to a charge of money laundering in 1998 and was indicted again in 2000 for taking part in a $40 million stock scheme involving four Mafia families, according to the New York Times report.

From 2003 to 2007, Sater traveled the country promoting projects for Trump, and his company was a partner in the Trump SoHo hotel. Trump told the Times he "never knew that."

Three years later, Sater returned to the Trump Organization and had business cards that described him as Trump’s "senior advisor," the AP reported. Trump told the AP that he’s "not familiar" with Sater.

 

 

[Kalbear]

And West Virginia is voting today, and who cares. Polls have Sanders +7, Demo has Sanders +8/10, and I think he'll win by 10 to 11. 

Which will change the delegate math not at all, especially since Guam went to Clinton. 

[lokisnow]

1 hour ago, Kalbear said:

Also, because it's awesome - was Trump linked to the mafia? Quite a few times, as it turns out. And not just via contractors (which isn't that surprising) or casino work (which is also less surprising) - no, his senior advisor was a mafia money launderer. 

 

Just to be clear, you're saying:

Money Laundering = Corruption

Giving a Speech = Not Corruption

THATS CRAZY TALK!!! WHY ARE YOU SO BIASED!

[TrackerNeil]

3 hours ago, Kalbear said:

So you're saying that the same donors that paid money to see Sanders speak didn't buy him, but did buy Clinton somehow. Got it. And that this makes her a criminal despite no actual evidence of any wrongdoing, legal or otherwise.

Now you've got it! No matter what Clinton accomplishes, she is unaccomplished. No matter how many allegations against her are unproven, she is guilty of them all. No matter how verifiable are her words, she is a liar. That's the way it goes.

[BloodRider]

4 hours ago, Maester Drew said:

 

I'm talking about how Hillary is bought by Wall Street.

This is why Sanders disgusts me.  I didn't start out that way, but his insipid insinuation taking place of actual wrongdoing made his supporters gullible.  Even McCain had the decency to correct his supporters when they went beyond the pale.  But Sanders was happy to poison minds, and lie that he was running a non-negative campaign.

He is an opportunist, and gross.

[ThinkerX]

I do have severe doubts that the democratic party will make significant gains in the senate and house races, mostly because the DNC appears to have given up in many places, including places they could win.

 

I also figure this could be an opportunity for a stealth takeover by the Green Party: Run their candidates under 'democratic party colors' in the states/districts ignored by the democrats, and combine that with intensive door to door grassroots campaigns. Pick up maybe a dozen or two seats, form the lefts version of the Tea Party.

[TrackerNeil]

2 minutes ago, ThinkerX said:

I do have severe doubts that the democratic party will make significant gains in the senate and house races, mostly because the DNC appears to have given up in many places, including places they could win.

I think it's important to keep in mind that the time to recruit solid candidates for these races was nearly a year ago, before anyone knew that Trump would eventually burst his bonds and run amok through the GOP laboratory. I imagine a lot of solid Democrats passed on 2016, and are kicking themselves now.

That being said, there are some solid challengers in '16: Maggie Hassan, Russ Feingold, Tammy Duckworth, etc. Also, if Trump does as badly as I suspect he will, the wave that swamps him will lift all Democratic boats, and even marginal candidates will do better than expected.

[Maester Drew]

4 hours ago, Kalbear said:

So you're saying that the same donors that paid money to see Sanders speak didn't buy him, but did buy Clinton somehow. Got it. And that this makes her a criminal despite no actual evidence of any wrongdoing, legal or otherwise.

 

51 minutes ago, TrackerNeil said:

Now you've got it! No matter what Clinton accomplishes, she is unaccomplished. No matter how many allegations against her are unproven, she is guilty of them all. No matter how verifiable are her words, she is a liar. That's the way it goes.

 

42 minutes ago, BloodRider said:

This is why Sanders disgusts me.  I didn't start out that way, but his insipid insinuation taking place of actual wrongdoing made his supporters gullible.  Even McCain had the decency to correct his supporters when they went beyond the pale.  But Sanders was happy to poison minds, and lie that he was running a non-negative campaign.

He is an opportunist, and gross.

I must admit, I have been getting my news on current events from the TYT Network and its affiliates. And they make it clear that they are Pro-Bernie.

So I am going to step back from saying Hillary is corrupt or a criminal. And I'll have to examine more closely the things Kyle Kulinski has reported on Hillary.