Xray the Enforcer Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Hey Ormond -- I'm curious. During these kinds of discussions, which ones piqued your curiosity and which ones gave you pause? And where was the most dissent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 21 hours ago, Xray the Enforcer said: Hey Ormond -- I'm curious. During these kinds of discussions, which ones piqued your curiosity and which ones gave you pause? And where was the most dissent? I am the moderator of the meeting where ANS votes on the Names of the Year and so do not vote myself. The nominations that gave me the most "pause" were a few I didn't even mention in the newspaper column, which were obviously made by someone trying to promote a book they themselves had written or a product whose trade name they had created. We've never had "dissent" in terms of someone protesting a winner. We certainly have had discussion and some votes were closer than others. Aleppo won the final vote by 3 over Drumpf this year. The task of the voters is to vote for names which showed the impact of names and naming in and of itself the past year. In that sense I can see that Drumpf was a good choice as Personal Name of the Year. In saying that, though, I am not endorsing John Oliver's use of it, because it makes me a little queasy. Donald Trump didn't choose to change the name himself, and what does using Drumpf to make fun of Trump say to anyone who is still named Drumpf in Germany or the US? Is it really better to make fun of someone's ancestral name than to make fun of other things about their ancestors they cannot control, like their race or occupations? This seems a bit like people in another thread on this board using the "wrong" pronouns for a particular transgender person who may not deserve "respect", without realizing that hurts all transgender persons. I worry that the mocking of "Drumpf" has the potential to hurt many people with "funny surnames" who do not deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitac Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I found it interesting and a little confusing that "Hamilton" won for fictional name. Also surprised that Obama wasn't a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/22/2017 at 9:40 PM, Baitac said: I found it interesting and a little confusing that "Hamilton" won for fictional name. Also surprised that Obama wasn't a choice. No one nominated Obama. "Hamilton" is a "fictional name" as the title of the musical, which is a fictional presentation even though based on historical events, just as historical novels are fiction even though based on real events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Here's the link to today's column. Sorry I did not have room to mention Carroll O'Connor. Also, in case you are wondering, the word "carol" as in "Christmas carol" has nothing to do with the name -- though I suspect that occasionally babies born during the Christmas season have been named Carol because parents made that association. -- I saw Carol Channing myself in a performance of "Hello, Dolly!" about 20 years ago. She was still great in the role then even though she was in her 70s. http://www.omaha.com/living/evans-once-popular-carol-has-royal-roots/article_bdd163c8-35ca-5996-83e6-c3612c8718ed.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitac Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Carol seems to be a name from the generation of my parents. Caroline is more popular now. I have a question. My grandmother named my Aunt Vivien. She claimed that Vivian was the male version of said name. Can you confirm or deny? If you want to or have time. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 On 2/9/2017 at 11:29 PM, Baitac said: Carol seems to be a name from the generation of my parents. Caroline is more popular now. I have a question. My grandmother named my Aunt Vivien. She claimed that Vivian was the male version of said name. Can you confirm or deny? If you want to or have time. Thank you! In Britain they normally think of "Vivian" as a male spelling and "Vivien" as a female one, but that distinction has never been made in the USA, where "Vivian" has always been the most common spelling for girls. This makes Vivian/Vivien similar to Leslie/Lesley: in England Leslie is considered masculine and Lesley feminine, but in the USA no such distinction is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitac Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Ormond said: In Britain they normally think of "Vivian" as a male spelling and "Vivien" as a female one, but that distinction has never been made in the USA, where "Vivian" has always been the most common spelling for girls. This makes Vivian/Vivien similar to Leslie/Lesley: in England Leslie is considered masculine and Lesley feminine, but in the USA no such distinction is made. My Grandma Isabel was a very proper lady. She named my Aunt after Vivien Leigh. My Mom's name is Beatriz, a Queen's name. I miss my Grandma and Mom. Thank you for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Ormond said: In Britain they normally think of "Vivian" as a male spelling and "Vivien" as a female one, but that distinction has never been made in the USA, where "Vivian" has always been the most common spelling for girls. This makes Vivian/Vivien similar to Leslie/Lesley: in England Leslie is considered masculine and Lesley feminine, but in the USA no such distinction is made. Now that I think of it, isn't the same true of Lindsay/Lindsey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 And Francis/Frances, and Gabriel/Gabrielle, though the latter may not count as they are pronounced differently so it probably belongs with Justin/Justine and Daniel/Danielle, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I think Jody/Jodie might belong there as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 15 hours ago, mormont said: Now that I think of it, isn't the same true of Lindsay/Lindsey? I don't know -- you tell me! In Scotland, is one of these considered "masculine" and the other "feminine"? There certainly isn't any distinction by spelling that way in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 11 hours ago, Hereward said: And Francis/Frances, and Gabriel/Gabrielle, though the latter may not count as they are pronounced differently so it probably belongs with Justin/Justine and Daniel/Danielle, etc. Francis and Frances DO have the gender distinction in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ormond said: I don't know -- you tell me! In Scotland, is one of these considered "masculine" and the other "feminine"? There certainly isn't any distinction by spelling that way in the USA. In the UK, Lindsay is masculine and Lindsey feminine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventh Pup Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Ormond you articles are always fascinating. Great article on Collum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo498 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Carolus Magnus as the most important European monarch of the early middle ages presumeably led to krol, kral, korol meaning "king" in several slavic languages, similarly to Caesar -> Kaiser in German and Czar in Russian. That in English so many names can serve as male and female names without or with only a slight change in spelling is very confusing for a foreigner. While most language have a few such cases they are usually rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 Here's today's column. I had no idea until I researched this that Chaucer was the one who made Valentine's Day a day for lovers. http://www.omaha.com/living/evans-chaucer-gave-love-nudge-to-st-valentine/article_55fb685a-9fdf-5839-8d71-0cf07a695fb9.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitac Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 12 hours ago, Ormond said: Here's today's column. I had no idea until I researched this that Chaucer was the one who made Valentine's Day a day for lovers. http://www.omaha.com/living/evans-chaucer-gave-love-nudge-to-st-valentine/article_55fb685a-9fdf-5839-8d71-0cf07a695fb9.html Awww. Happy Saint Valentine's Day Ormond! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 Here's today's column. There is an Italian name Gavino which has no etymological connection with Gavin, but some Italian-Americans may have used Gavin as an Anglicization of that name. http://www.omaha.com/living/evans-roots-of-gavin-go-back-to-knights-of-the/article_9d05fef7-2317-5215-bb75-bcd9da7278ef.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitac Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Hi Ormond! Is there a way for me to search your articles by names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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