More Like Ned's Rebellion

[thelittledragonthatcould]

22 minutes ago, The Ice Wolf of Loki said:

Did I say Ned named himself King in this scenario? His men would name him King, like his men named Robb King.

Robb's men named him King for two reasons

• two fantastic, morale boosting victories at the Whispering Woods and the Camps
• not being able to come to an agreement on Joffrey, Tommen, Stannis or Renly as King

Ned, a man who grew up in the Vale, might not have the same support as Robb did as he runs back to the North.

We also don't know how stable the Starks rule in the North was 20 years ago. Robb had the benefit of 20 years of peace in the North under his father were their armies were involved in two major victories outside of their lands. 

[WSmith84]

7 hours ago, The Ice Wolf of Loki said:

Did I say Ned named himself King in this scenario? His men would name him King, like his men named Robb King.

What difference does it make? It still reduces his chances of outside alliances.

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

Rebellion starts:

- Ned goes North from the Vale (low to medium level dangerous despite being halted in the sisters) while robert is first at the walls on gulltown on the orders of Jon Arryn

- Ned is in the north rallying the lords while Robert sails from the vale to the stormlands (extremely dangerous since he needs to pass the crownlands waters and dragonstone), balls of steel reaches his land and has to fight half the stormlords loyal to the crown (unlike ned who had full support)

- Ned is still in the North and Jon in the vale... Robert battles 3 times wins, then goes TO THE REACH to fight tarly with remnants of three battles and mace's 40k closing in on tarly´s vanguard... a retreat is necessary, wounded he still reaches the Bells

- ned, jon and hoster race to the bells while robert escapes connington's army with the few stormtroopers left... the alliance comes, and robert while wounded still helps them almost killing connington and killing mooton plus 6 men (accounted by witnesses, he probably killed more)

- trident... all of them fight hardly... and Robert advances forward to kill the enemies leader... manages so... the end

If the rebellion needs to have a name (while all of the 3 stars deserve it), regardless of warrior skill, commander skill, charisma, blood ties... it still has to be robert's rebellion imo, Jon declared it, Ned brought the large numbers to the final battle, but Bob shined through it fighting ALL THE BATTLES with distinction

[Scorpion92]

Yeah, I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Robert died during Rebellion and Ned had to climb those steps and take the throne for himself.

[Michael Mertyns]

On 8/11/2016 at 3:30 PM, Laughing Storm Reborn said:

Rebellion starts:

- Ned goes North from the Vale (low to medium level dangerous despite being halted in the sisters) while robert is first at the walls on gulltown on the orders of Jon Arryn

- Ned is in the north rallying the lords while Robert sails from the vale to the stormlands (extremely dangerous since he needs to pass the crownlands waters and dragonstone), balls of steel reaches his land and has to fight half the stormlords loyal to the crown (unlike ned who had full support)

- Ned is still in the North and Jon in the vale... Robert battles 3 times wins, then goes TO THE REACH to fight tarly with remnants of three battles and mace's 40k closing in on tarly´s vanguard... a retreat is necessary, wounded he still reaches the Bells

- ned, jon and hoster race to the bells while robert escapes connington's army with the few stormtroopers left... the alliance comes, and robert while wounded still helps them almost killing connington and killing mooton plus 6 men (accounted by witnesses, he probably killed more)

- trident... all of them fight hardly... and Robert advances forward to kill the enemies leader... manages so... the end

If the rebellion needs to have a name (while all of the 3 stars deserve it), regardless of warrior skill, commander skill, charisma, blood ties... it still has to be robert's rebellion imo, Jon declared it, Ned brought the large numbers to the final battle, but Bob shined through it fighting ALL THE BATTLES with distinction

Not to mention Robert is the one who became king and is assured to be remembered by history

[Anton Martell]

On 31 juillet 2016 at 9:25 AM, The Ice Wolf of Loki said:

What should have happened when Ned returned home should have been what happened with Robb, his men should have proclaimed him King in the North.

All Jon Arryn needed to do is let Ned leave and then claim that the Stark boy had fled before he could be taken into custody.

Ned could then have married whomever he liked.

The Rebellion was caused by Jon Arryn being too thick to realise there was another option open to him in regards to Ned.

The Rebellion was successful. So Jon Arryn made a good move. The Rebellion won, Aerys was removed and Robert got to be king. So Jon Arryn isn't "too thick". He actually made a great move (even if he did not plan that to be the outcome). Your alternative is not making anyone safer, and it puts Jon in an ambiguous situation since Aerys is never going to believe him. It's weird that you think that Jon Arryn decision is a bad one when he was succesful...

On 1 août 2016 at 4:03 AM, devilish said:

That's what makes him so great. Think about Brexit. The 'rebellion' was lead by Boris, Gove and Farage. When the dust settled the country needed a face whom both remainers and leavers could identify so they can work together for the good of the country. Hence why Theresa May was chosen (a remainer who took a back seat role in the entire campaign)

Yeah, and the country is in tip top shape. And everybody criticized Boris, Gove and Farage for taking a step back. In a world where you remove the rightful king and have a tenuous hold on the throne, you clearly need to send a message and have some sparks, rather than chose someone no one really likes...

[devilish]

9 hours ago, Anton Martell said:

 

Yeah, and the country is in tip top shape. And everybody criticized Boris, Gove and Farage for taking a step back. In a world where you remove the rightful king and have a tenuous hold on the throne, you clearly need to send a message and have some sparks, rather than chose someone no one really likes...

The remainers would never follow the buffoon, the xenophobic or the backstabber and the leavers would expect those three to deliver promises that they knew they couldn't keep. Hence why they chose someone who could unify the 'crown' and whom unlike others she hasn't promised things that no one on earth could deliver

[Anton Martell]

20 hours ago, devilish said:

The remainers would never follow the buffoon, the xenophobic or the backstabber and the leavers would expect those three to deliver promises that they knew they couldn't keep. Hence why they chose someone who could unify the 'crown' and whom unlike others she hasn't promised things that no one on earth could deliver

I won't come into a policy debate about this, but that's not how you deal with something like that. If a leader of a proposition drops it later on, it decredibilise the whole movement. As it did. Theresa might do a better job, but the whole brexit thing has lost all credibility when those three left (not that it had much before).

 

Same with Robert's rebellion: if Robert, who is the face of the rebellion, doesn't take the Throne (or at least Ned) then no one will believe in their cause. Hoster Tully isn't likely to make people follow him that much. He does not have the charisma etc. necessary. Especially in a feudal world where strength is so much valued.

[JWittoBeast]

On 28/07/2016 at 2:05 AM, RhaekarTyvar said:

Does anyone else feel like Ned got the worst rap of them all, when you think about it, it was Ned's sister kidnapped ("kidnapped") and whom eventually wound up dead as a door nail not to mention Ned's father and brother that were murdered at court on the orders of the Mad King. With all things considered before any of the eventual Stark deaths during the War of the Five King's, who the hell was Robert really and what was he complaining about? Which leads to the point we all know to be true, if Ned had gotten his head out of his arse and taken the Iron Throne, he would have had a Tully as Queen, thus uniting the Riverlands, the Vale AND the North, 3 sons and 2 daughters later a marriage alliance with Dorne and the Reach could have followed, even the Westerlands if need be. He would have made a just and fair ruler and would have actually done the job lol I suppose it all comes down to the fact that if he had done so, we would have no GoT, bar the possibility of Daenerys. Honourable but foolish Starks, he knew what his friend was.

The reason why Robert took the throne was because his Grandmother was a Targaryen, so he was the closest thing to an actual relevant non-obscure heir in the Seven Kingdoms that wasn't batshit crazy. He also personally killed Rhaegar, and he was the leader in many important battles in the Rebellion, such as Gulltown (where he personally killed the Loyalist commander), the battles of Summerhall and the Trident, the battle which determined the fate of the Rebellion.

 

Ned wasn't as well loved by the Smallfolk, and if he did indeed take the throne most people would consider it robbing from Rob (lol).

Also, why would the Vale support Ned? They were more likely to support Robert, even if Ned was married to Jon Arryn's wife's sister.

Wtf are you talking about marriage alliances? Ned had 2 children at the time, and they were both newborns (Robb and Jon) he didn't have any other children.

It doesn't really matter, since Ned feels heartbroken about lying, so the idea that he would outright rob his brother from another mother of a throne would be inconceivable in Ned's mind.

You need to get your head out of your ass, tbh. The way you talk makes you sound like a person who only watched the TV show and goes on here because "It's the same thing, right?"

[devilish]

3 hours ago, Anton Martell said:

I won't come into a policy debate about this, but that's not how you deal with something like that. If a leader of a proposition drops it later on, it decredibilise the whole movement. As it did. Theresa might do a better job, but the whole brexit thing has lost all credibility when those three left (not that it had much before).

 

Same with Robert's rebellion: if Robert, who is the face of the rebellion, doesn't take the Throne (or at least Ned) then no one will believe in their cause. Hoster Tully isn't likely to make people follow him that much. He does not have the charisma etc. necessary. Especially in a feudal world where strength is so much valued.

My point is that when someone decides to replace a rule which lasted for hundreds of years they must be 100% sure that they choose the right leader. Robert was not cut for ruling, he’s got Targ blood on his hands and if he is made king with Cersei becoming immediately queen then it will ruffle a lot of feathers among the royalists (The Lannisters backstabbed the king and their ruffian raped Elia and killed her innocent children).  Ned is an honourable man, but he’s also not cut for ruling and even his religion is wrong. Jon Arryn is an experienced head and ideally he would be made king. However he seem to struggle to have children which would put this fledgling dynasty at risk.

Hoster Tully is perfect. He’s an experienced head who is well versed in the game of thrones. He fought against Aerys without shedding too much Targ blood which would make him a more acceptable ruler for both camps (royalists and rebels). His two girls are married to the Lord Paramount of the North and the Lord Paramount of the Vale which means absolute loyalty of those two houses. Also he’s already got a son which secures a future to the realm. Not to forget that he’s unmarried and so is Edmure (he will have three if he convinces the black fish to marry to someone of his choosing. I am aware that the Black fish refused a similar imposition, however would he do the same if let’s say, Hoster promises him Riverrun and the Lordship of the Riverlands in exchange?)

So here is the plan. Hoster is appointed Lord Protector of the Realm and in time king. Negotiations start with all the loyalists including the Targs on Dragonstone (1 ship with Barristan Selmy conducting the negotiations).

The negotiations are as followed

a-      Targs- If they bend the knee, the Targs will be pardoned, they will retain Dragonstone, their Lord will be appointed Lord Paramount of Dragonstone and he will retain the title of prince (same as the Martells). Danny will be married off to Edmure’s first born and will return on the iron throne. If Edmure doesn’t produce any male heirs then Viserys will marry the queen matriarchal way with Danny being appointed Princess of Dragonstone

b-      Lannisters - Jamie Lannister will be kicked out from the KG. Tywin will also have to hand over Gregor Clegane who will answer for his hideous crimes and lose his head for it. Tywin will be ordered to strip House Clegane from its lands and titles and its remaining family members will be exiled from Westeros. The Lannisters will also give the Martells a generous sum of money in reparation. In exchange Tywin will be allowed to appoint Jamie as his heir and Cersei will marry the crown prince Edmure Tully.

c-       Baratheons - The borders between the Stormlands, the Crownlands and the Riverlands are rearranged slightly with the Stormlands region growing in terms of lands as a reward to Robert and his efforts during the war. A new role is created in the small council at par with the hand of the king (ie Master of war) and will have under its domain the Master of ships and the command of the gold cloaks. Robert will take that role.

d-      Martells – Dorran Martell will be handed a place in the council and Gregor’s head. House Clegane will be dismantled and its members will be exiled from Westeros. The blackfish will be married off to Ashara Dayne. Hopefully that would consolidate the relations between the crown and Dorne

e-      Tyrells - Hoster Tully will propose a marriage between him and a Tyrell (Mina Tyrell?). The Tyrells will be confirmed as Lord Paramount of the Reach. That will bring the Tyrells back to the fold.

f-       The remaining Loyalists – will be pardoned and their lands will be restored as long as they bend the knee.

 

[Shouldve Taken The Black]

1 hour ago, devilish said:

Hoster Tully is perfect. He’s an experienced head who is well versed in the game of thrones. He fought against Aerys without shedding too much Targ blood which would make him a more acceptable ruler for both camps (royalists and rebels). His two girls are married to the Lord Paramount of the North and the Lord Paramount of the Vale which means absolute loyalty of those two houses. Also he’s already got a son which secures a future to the realm. Not to forget that he’s unmarried and so is Edmure (he will have three if he convinces the black fish to marry to someone of his choosing. I am aware that the Black fish refused a similar imposition, however would he do the same if let’s say, Hoster promises him Riverrun and the Lordship of the Riverlands in exchange?)

You miss the point entirely. In medieval society, and in the 7k knowing what we do about that society, lineage matters . Yes, someone can claim the throne by right of conquest, but it's much better if you have a claim. Even a flimsy one. Added to that, neither Ned, Hoster, or Jon ever expressed an interest in the throne (as far as we know). Ned clearly didn't want it. I doubt Jon did. I don't know enough about Hoster to be resolute but I doubt he wanted it either.

 

1 hour ago, devilish said:

Targs- If they bend the knee, the Targs will be pardoned, they will retain Dragonstone, their Lord will be appointed Lord Paramount of Dragonstone and he will retain the title of prince (same as the Martells).

Madness. You give the "rightful" heirs to the throne their own seat a few miles away from the capital? As soon as RB screws up,  he has a rebellion.

 

1 hour ago, devilish said:

Jamie Lannister will be kicked out from the KG. Tywin will also have to hand over Gregor Clegane who will answer for his hideous crimes and lose his head for it. Tywin will be ordered to strip House Clegane from its lands and titles and its remaining family members will be exiled from Westeros. The Lannisters will also give the Martells a generous sum of money in reparation.

Don't piss off the Lannisters. 

 

1 hour ago, devilish said:

House Clegane will be dismantled and its members will be exiled from Westeros.

Don't piss off the Lannisters.

 

1 hour ago, devilish said:

The blackfish will be married off to Ashara Dayne.

He's gay. 

 

1 hour ago, devilish said:

The Tyrells will be confirmed as Lord Paramount of the Reach. That will bring the Tyrells back to the fold.

They were already in charge of the Reach, and were already brought back into the fold after Ned got them to dip their banners.

 

1 hour ago, devilish said:

The remaining Loyalists – will be pardoned and their lands will be restored as long as they bend the knee.

Largely happened. 

[devilish]

1 hour ago, Shouldve Taken The Black said:

You miss the point entirely. In medieval society, and in the 7k knowing what we do about that society, lineage matters . Yes, someone can claim the throne by right of conquest, but it's much better if you have a claim. Even a flimsy one. Added to that, neither Ned, Hoster, or Jon ever expressed an interest in the throne (as far as we know). Ned clearly didn't want it. I doubt Jon did. I don't know enough about Hoster to be resolute but I doubt he wanted it either.

 

Madness. You give the "rightful" heirs to the throne their own seat a few miles away from the capital? As soon as RB screws up,  he has a rebellion.

 

Don't piss off the Lannisters. 

 

Don't piss off the Lannisters.

 

He's gay. 

 

They were already in charge of the Reach, and were already brought back into the fold after Ned got them to dip their banners.

 

Largely happened. 

a- Robert didn't won the iron throne through lineage but through right of conquest. Danny and Viserys has a much bigger claim to the iron throne than a Baratheon ever had or ever will. However I do acknowledge that lineage is important. Hence why King's Edmure's first born son would marry Danny. That would legitimise the Tully's rule.

b- Dragonstone is a piece of rock, with no resources whatsoever (apart from dragonstone). If a king orders the king's fleet to patrol it and he commands Danny to be tutored in KL then Dragonstone will become a glorified prison with Danny becoming a hostage. Id rather have Viserys locked in his golden gilded prison after bending the knee rather then living freely in Essos, in open contempt against the crown and in a situation were he can seduce the golden company and/or offer his sister to any king/Lord/savage whose got an army. 

c-Whose pissing them off? Tywin would get his heir back (removing the Tyrion as heir issue) and he will fulfill his dream of having his daughter marrying the crown prince. In exchange they will pay Dorne reparations (instead of financing Robert's whoring) and they will lose their former kennel masters who will be blamed of all Tywin's crimes during the KL sack. That does sound a great deal for the Lannisters. 

d- Its medieval times mate. Noble gays used to get married and have children

e- There would be no guarantees that the Tyrells wont raise the banners against the king if the right opportunity arise. By marrying a Tyrell, Hoster would make sure that this wont happen.

f- And I agree with that. 

 

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

9 hours ago, devilish said:

My point is that when someone decides to replace a rule which lasted for hundreds of years they must be 100% sure that they choose the right leader. Robert was not cut for ruling, he’s got Targ blood on his hands and if he is made king with Cersei becoming immediately queen then it will ruffle a lot of feathers among the royalists (The Lannisters backstabbed the king and their ruffian raped Elia and killed her innocent children).  Ned is an honourable man, but he’s also not cut for ruling and even his religion is wrong. Jon Arryn is an experienced head and ideally he would be made king. However he seem to struggle to have children which would put this fledgling dynasty at risk.

 

Hoster Tully is perfect. He’s an experienced head who is well versed in the game of thrones. He fought against Aerys without shedding too much Targ blood which would make him a more acceptable ruler for both camps (royalists and rebels). His two girls are married to the Lord Paramount of the North and the Lord Paramount of the Vale which means absolute loyalty of those two houses. Also he’s already got a son which secures a future to the realm. Not to forget that he’s unmarried and so is Edmure (he will have three if he convinces the black fish to marry to someone of his choosing. I am aware that the Black fish refused a similar imposition, however would he do the same if let’s say, Hoster promises him Riverrun and the Lordship of the Riverlands in exchange?)

 

So here is the plan. Hoster is appointed Lord Protector of the Realm and in time king.

There´s two factors to think here...

- No one knew if Robert would be great, normal or bad as King, particulary because the council deals with the hard stuff, the King just needs to be a respected head of state wich says the final word and everyone obeys.... counting coppers and social management IS the work of the council despite seeming like Robert didn´t give a damn (he actually did't much) but guys like Baelor were not economic geniuses who dealt with everything, a council serves for something

- The kicker is also the fact Robert has a ton more charisma than Hoster, actually he has more than the rest of the rebels combined, the only one who competed in that regard was rhaegar and he had the advantage of being the crown prince, on pure charisma Bob was at another level

It makes for difficult work putting Hoster instead of Bob and not rise more revolt than just the Iron Islands (who actually just wanted an excuse for an independence they seeked since aegon i)

[devilish]

14 hours ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said:

There´s two factors to think here...

- No one knew if Robert would be great, normal or bad as King, particulary because the council deals with the hard stuff, the King just needs to be a respected head of state wich says the final word and everyone obeys.... counting coppers and social management IS the work of the council despite seeming like Robert didn´t give a damn (he actually did't much) but guys like Baelor were not economic geniuses who dealt with everything, a council serves for something

- The kicker is also the fact Robert has a ton more charisma than Hoster, actually he has more than the rest of the rebels combined, the only one who competed in that regard was rhaegar and he had the advantage of being the crown prince, on pure charisma Bob was at another level

It makes for difficult work putting Hoster instead of Bob and not rise more revolt than just the Iron Islands (who actually just wanted an excuse for an independence they seeked since aegon i)

The council deal with the hard stuff only when the King allows it to do that and when there's a strong hand of the king who takes no crap. Robert wasn't that kind of person. He wanted to surround himself with yes men that would allow him to whore and enjoy life as he always did. If it wasn't the case then he would have appointed Tywin as hand of the king and get on with it. Tywin was his father in law, he was also the richest man in Westeros and at one point he had one of the biggest armies in country (both royalists and rebels lost a lot of soldiers during the rebellion)

It was evident pretty early that Robert wasn’t king material. Surely he had charisma and he was a great warrior but it was evident from day one that he lacked emotion intelligence and that much needed restraint to become a good king. Robert’s whoring and drinking problems were evident from day 1. His future wife didn’t rate him at all, a big chunk of his region rose against him during the rebellion and he couldn’t help soiling his brother’s marriage bed during Stannis wedding night. That’s not how a king of a fledgling (and therefore fragile) dynasty should act especially someone who would soon marry Tywin Lannister’s daughter. 

I believe that he was appointed king simply because no one could bother taking the role himself. Eddard was a second son, who lived most of his early life thinking that he will spend most of his life as his brother’s loyal and glorified servant. Becoming Lord Paramount of the greatest region in Westeros, leading their army to war and marrying his dead brother’s girlfriend was already too much to handle for him. Arryn was old and he was simply too bothered making sure his lineage continue to take command of the damn ship. Hoster on the other hand negotiated his way into the rebellion by expecting Ned and Jon to marry his two daughters so they might have thought that giving him the crown (which would surely translate into another prestigious marriage for Edmure) would be a bit of a rip off. Robert was young, his feats in war were legendary and they were hoping that the rest would simply kneel to him rather than risk ending at the wrong end of his war hammer. That would allow Ned to spend most of his life holed in beloved home and Jon to pollinate his wife in peace.
 

[Shouldve Taken The Black]

23 minutes ago, devilish said:

He wanted to surround himself with yes men that would allow him to whore and enjoy life as he always did.

I don't know about that. He named Jon Arryn and then Ned as Hand of the King. They weren't yes men. Littlefinger, Stannis, Varys, Pycelle and Renly were all competent in their own ways. Compared to Cersei's "Smallest Council" Robert's Small Council was streets ahead. I actually think Robert is underrated as a king. Yes, he had no interest in governing, but he at least recognised that flaw in himself and appointed competent people to do it for him. 

[devilish]

13 minutes ago, Shouldve Taken The Black said:

I don't know about that. He named Jon Arryn and then Ned as Hand of the King. They weren't yes men. Littlefinger, Stannis, Varys, Pycelle and Renly were all competent in their own ways. Compared to Cersei's "Smallest Council" Robert's Small Council was streets ahead. I actually think Robert is underrated as a king. Yes, he had no interest in governing, but he at least recognised that flaw in himself and appointed competent people to do it for him. 

They were all beta characters and when they dared confronting the King on issues they were either ignored or sent away. I don't think that Robert's small council was competent to be honest. There were much better people around

[Shouldve Taken The Black]

1 minute ago, devilish said:

They were all beta characters and when they dared confronting the King on issues they were ignored or sent away (ex Stannis). I don't think that Robert's small council was competent to be honest. There were much better people around

I disagree. Stannis wasn't sent away, he left. Irrespective, Robert was sensible enough to know that Stannis, despite being a pain in the balls, was hard working and competent and should be on the Small Council. Certainly Littlefinger, Varys, Renly and Pycelle did not "confront" Robert, but they were all capable people. Ned and Jon Arryn certainly stood up to him. 

[devilish]

16 minutes ago, Shouldve Taken The Black said:

Ned and Jon Arryn certainly stood up to him. 

And.....

[Anton Martell]

On 23 août 2016 at 4:20 AM, devilish said:

My point is that when someone decides to replace a rule which lasted for hundreds of years they must be 100% sure that they choose the right leader. Robert was not cut for ruling, he’s got Targ blood on his hands and if he is made king with Cersei becoming immediately queen then it will ruffle a lot of feathers among the royalists (The Lannisters backstabbed the king and their ruffian raped Elia and killed her innocent children).  Ned is an honourable man, but he’s also not cut for ruling and even his religion is wrong. Jon Arryn is an experienced head and ideally he would be made king. However he seem to struggle to have children which would put this fledgling dynasty at risk.

 

Hoster Tully is perfect. He’s an experienced head who is well versed in the game of thrones. He fought against Aerys without shedding too much Targ blood which would make him a more acceptable ruler for both camps (royalists and rebels). His two girls are married to the Lord Paramount of the North and the Lord Paramount of the Vale which means absolute loyalty of those two houses. Also he’s already got a son which secures a future to the realm. Not to forget that he’s unmarried and so is Edmure (he will have three if he convinces the black fish to marry to someone of his choosing. I am aware that the Black fish refused a similar imposition, however would he do the same if let’s say, Hoster promises him Riverrun and the Lordship of the Riverlands in exchange?)

 

 

 

You sure love Hoster Tully.

 

Your plan might work, but damn, it's easy in hindsight, and it neglects something important: you're removing a dynasty, you need a leader people love. And Hoster Tully was not lovable. He was also pretty old. So maybe your plan takes care of a lot of issue, but it lacks the fact that Hoster isn't someone people follow. He wasn't also such a great riverlands leader (The Freys clearly did not care much about what he said about them for example). 

 

Robert was the good choice at the time. Plus a King is known to whoring and drinking, they couldn't imagine it would become that strong. But you're probably right: no one else really wanted it. As for Hoster, I don't think he even though about it.

[devilish]

On 11/09/2016 at 10:45 AM, Anton Martell said:

You sure love Hoster Tully.

 

Your plan might work, but damn, it's easy in hindsight, and it neglects something important: you're removing a dynasty, you need a leader people love. And Hoster Tully was not lovable. He was also pretty old. So maybe your plan takes care of a lot of issue, but it lacks the fact that Hoster isn't someone people follow. He wasn't also such a great riverlands leader (The Freys clearly did not care much about what he said about them for example). 

 

Robert was the good choice at the time. Plus a King is known to whoring and drinking, they couldn't imagine it would become that strong. But you're probably right: no one else really wanted it. As for Hoster, I don't think he even though about it.

I don't love Hoster Tully. I see him as an opportunist (he wouldn't have committed himself unless Jon Arryn married his daughter) and a hypocrite (and yet he criticise Walder for not committing himself despite getting anything from it). Yet such blend of hypocrisy and opportunism is what makes him so suited for the iron throne. I agree that he didn't tackle the Freys well. There again, I doubt that the Freys would have settled to anything Lord Tully could give them. The fact that they married their son to a Lord Paramount whose way stronger to the Tullys kind of show that.

Robert hated bureaucracy and his hatred towards the Targs made him too biased to rule, Jon was ancient and Ned was the typical second son. Surely old Arryn could notice that he wasn't suited to be a king (he even despoiled his brother's bed in his wedding day) and should used the incredible respect everyone had towards him to choose a better king.