AugustusTheGreat Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 There seems to be a strange liking for Stannis Baratheon from a lot of fans, almost to the point where people like him as their favorite character. As of re watching season 2, 3, and 4, I seem to have developed that liking as well, but I cant really explain it. Tyrion, Littlefinger, Tywin, and Vary are all liked for their pure intellect, cleverness, and awesome egos. Dany and Jon are both pure, acting for the goodness of others and are textbook heros. But Stannis is something completely different. In a way he is pure, but isnt graceful, clever, or funny at all. He is blunt and awkward, and is blind to his faults at times. He burns his daughter and has an affair with Melisande, and he really only acts as a hero once when he defeats the wildlings. Can someone explain what makes him appealing? I still cant figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Null Infinity Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Personal opinion : it's a matter of preference and taste, some people like realistic heroes and some like fantasy heroes, the good thing is that the story gave us the two types, he's one of my favourite characters because his story is realistic, he's a man on a mission, he get usurped and he did whatever he can to restore justice for him and his house, he is the only character who think about the smallfolks in his story, as a character I like his courage and his sense of justice. and stannis is a one of the most human characters, he tried, he made mistakes and he died, this why his story is realistic and his story doesn't contain elements of mary sueing like my four other mary sue characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashes Of Westeros Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 49 minutes ago, Future Null Infinity said: and stannis is a one of the most human characters, he tried, he made mistakes and he died, this why his story is realistic Exactly. I like Stannis too, I really sympathize him. Stannis shows how determintaion and sence of duty can lead someone to a tragic end. He is similiar to Ned in his intentions, but kind of Ned without loving or being loved. And this lack of love makes him really tragic figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A spoon of knife and fork Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 4 hours ago, Future Null Infinity said: Personal opinion : it's a matter of preference and taste, some people like realistic heroes and some like fantasy heroes, the good thing is that the story gave us the two types, he's one of my favourite characters because his story is realistic, he's a man on a mission, he get usurped and he did whatever he can to restore justice for him and his house, he is the only character who think about the smallfolks in his story, as a character I like his courage and his sense of justice. Daenerys and Jon certainly think about the smallfolk as well (Jon with Wildlings, Dany with her people). Jaime also spends some time considering their fate in the book though he doens't go out of his way to try to change things for the better except on an individual level. 4 hours ago, Future Null Infinity said: and stannis is a one of the most human characters, he tried, he made mistakes and he died, this why his story is realistic I like Stannis mostly for this reason, and also because I find him really funny at times. He is not afraid to call out bullshit when he sees it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdJorahMormont Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 He has good grammar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeer27 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Cause hes a badass and the rightful heir to the IT but probably mostly cause we want him to destroy the Lannisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis is the man....nis Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Spoilers: It should be pointed out that you are talking show only while the majority of the "Mannis" fandom comes from the books where he last left off Spoiler he hasn't burned his daughter and has an army mostly made up of Robb's old bannermen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Westerosi Coast Gangster Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 I like Stannis show, but book version is 10x better for me. I think he is fascinating because you can really tell that he wants the crown not for greed or power but because he truly believes it is his by rights. he seems like he would be more content (Stannis could never be happy) if he wasn't in the line of succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StoneColdJorahMormont Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 20 hours ago, AugustusTheGreat said: There seems to be a strange liking for Stannis Baratheon from a lot of fans, almost to the point where people like him as their favorite character. As of re watching season 2, 3, and 4, I seem to have developed that liking as well, but I cant really explain it. Tyrion, Littlefinger, Tywin, and Vary are all liked for their pure intellect, cleverness, and awesome egos. Dany and Jon are both pure, acting for the goodness of others and are textbook heros. But Stannis is something completely different. In a way he is pure, but isnt graceful, clever, or funny at all. He is blunt and awkward, and is blind to his faults at times. He burns his daughter and has an affair with Melisande, and he really only acts as a hero once when he defeats the wildlings. Can someone explain what makes him appealing? I still cant figure it out. I think it's his grumpiness that people find entertaining, I laugh out loud at some of the things he said even though everything he said was in complete seriousness. Think of him as Victor Meldrew from one foot in the grave meets Jack Dee if you are aware of them. Some of the funniest things in the whole show outside of Tyrion and Bronn comes from his moody snarky comments especially correcting people's grammar He's like that guy in his mid 40's with a shit job, his wife hates him, his kids hate him, he gets no respect at home or work and all he wants is to come home and sit on his chair after a long day only to find some other guy is sitting on it and it's rightfully his. Meets a younger more beautiful woman at work who tells him he is special to her only to leave him when she has gotten all she can from him and finds a younger more attractive guy, and he loses everything because of her house, family..... you know the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khal drogon Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 13 hours ago, StoneColdJorahMormont said: I think it's his grumpiness that people find entertaining, I laugh out loud at some of the things he said even though everything he said was in complete seriousness. Think of him as Victor Meldrew from one foot in the grave meets Jack Dee if you are aware of them. Some of the funniest things in the whole show outside of Tyrion and Bronn comes from his moody snarky comments especially correcting people's grammar He's like that guy in his mid 40's with a shit job, his wife hates him, his kids hate him, he gets no respect at home or work and all he wants is to come home and sit on his chair after a long day only to find some other guy is sitting on it and it's rightfully his. Meets a younger more beautiful woman at work who tells him he is special to her only to leave him when she has gotten all she can from him and finds a younger more attractive guy, and he loses everything because of her house, family..... you know the story This exactly. Though I think of him as a hypocrite who will talk about duty only when it suits him, I like him. I find this nature of him interesting also his humour. I do not like him because of the same reasons his cult likes him but I find him a fascinating character because of his flaws and uniqueness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdJorahMormont Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 1 minute ago, khal drogon said: This exactly. Though I think of him as a hypocrite who will talk about duty only when it suits him, I like him. I find this nature of him interesting also his humour. I do not like him because of the same reasons his cult likes him but I find him a fascinating character because of his flaws and uniqueness. In the space of one day, he murdered his daughter, his wife killed herself because of the guilt and the woman that convinced him he was the chosen one left him after promising him if he did all these things he would get his throne. You gotta think just how fcuking stupid did he feel the next day ! He rode into battle knowing he was pretty much fcuked but i think by this point he just wanted to go out in battle rather than withering away alone in his castle thinking about just how gullible he had been. He is very flawed and as you say and that makes him more human in an un relatable world/story, i guess it's also why I love Jorah as he too is flawed in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khal drogon Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, StoneColdJorahMormont said: In the space of one day, he murdered his daughter, his wife killed herself because of the guilt and the woman that convinced him he was the chosen one left him after promising him if he did all these things he would get his throne. You gotta think just how fcuking stupid did he feel the next day ! He rode into battle knowing he was pretty much fcuked but i think by this point he just wanted to go out in battle rather than withering away alone in his castle thinking about just how gullible he had been. He is very flawed and as you say and that makes him more human in an un relatable world/story, i guess it's also why I love Jorah as he too is flawed in different ways. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_Up_Bxtch Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Book Stannis is much better, which is where most of the love for the character comes from, but they did well enough with him in the show as well, to a certain point then everything just fell apart imo because like most people I believe D&D have a bias against the character. They vilified him more in the show as well. Everything from that stare of his to the musical scores they gave him almost painted him as a villain in a sense, when he wasn't a villain (in my eyes anyway) In the show Stannis willingly sacrifices his daughter but... Book spoilers below Spoiler Though George has said otherwise I believe in the books Melisandre will sacrifice Shireen at the wall behind Stannis' back as Stannis is currently marching to Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A spoon of knife and fork Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 9 hours ago, Adam_Up_Bxtch said: Book Stannis is much better, which is where most of the love for the character comes from, but they did well enough with him in the show as well, to a certain point then everything just fell apart imo because like most people I believe D&D have a bias against the character. They vilified him more in the show as well. Everything from that stare of his to the musical scores they gave him almost painted him as a villain in a sense, when he wasn't a villain (in my eyes anyway) I don't know about you but Stephen Dillane / Stannis staring at anything is very far from villainous in fact it's so complex that I can't stop staring. He conveys like 10 emotions at once, brilliant actor. 9 hours ago, Adam_Up_Bxtch said: In the show Stannis willingly sacrifices his daughter but... Book spoilers below Reveal hidden contents Though George has said otherwise I believe in the books Melisandre will sacrifice Shireen at the wall behind Stannis' back as Stannis is currently marching to Winterfell. George may change his mind of course, but as far as the show runners go they say George told them how he intended Shireen to go. I really doubt they'd lie and say that if it wasn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustusTheGreat Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 3 hours ago, A spoon of knife and fork said: I don't know about you but Stephen Dillane / Stannis staring at anything is very far from villainous in fact it's so complex that I can't stop staring. He conveys like 10 emotions at once, brilliant actor. I think that the word that we are looking for is anti hero. At first glance, he looks like a villain, and you have to really break him down to figure out that he is just doing what he believes is rightful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A spoon of knife and fork Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 6 hours ago, AugustusTheGreat said: I think that the word that we are looking for is anti hero. At first glance, he looks like a villain, and you have to really break him down to figure out that he is just doing what he believes is rightful. I think he might technically be an "anti-villain" (the guy who is placed in the role of a villain but actually has some heroic intentions or actions). But it's all silly tropes at some point. Anyway, Complex character FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdJorahMormont Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 When i also look at Stephen Dillane he reminds me of Jason Statham with more hair, not just similar faces but even his snarling and sarcy comments so you know stannis is badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafro987daboss Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Show Stannis and Book Stannis are two different stories, but both are my favourites. From his music (the stern horn theme that combines with Melisandre's theme) to his relationships with Mel, Davos, Selyse and Shireen, to the way he's acted by Dillane, to the settings he visits/rules in (Dragonstone, Stormlands etc), he just did it for me as a character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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