what if Robert met Barristan instead of Rhaegar at the trident?

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

2 hours ago, devilish said:

Apologies mate but I cant identify which part of post is mine and which post is yours/others

I'm using the damn iphone, i'll get back to it when i get to my pc again, i'ts easier to debate, sometimes my phone messes the replies, so i write the name before, it was just the post about bob's weapon use of one or two hands, the other one was a reply mess up... 

[One-eyed Misbehavin]

I hate the multiple quote format and really inside the quotes are hard to deal with 

[devilish]

44 minutes ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said:

I'm using the damn iphone, i'll get back to it when i get to my pc again, i'ts easier to debate, sometimes my phone messes the replies, so i write the name before, it was just the post about bob's weapon use of one or two hands, the other one was a reply mess up... 

Hey mate

Don't stress out. Seriously it wasn't meant as a jab towards you or anything. I am actually loving discussing with you.

[Free folk Daemon]

Robert fought valiantly, Robert fought nobly, Robert fought honorably. And Robert died.

[One-eyed Misbehavin]

9 hours ago, Valyrian Blade said:

Robert Baratheon in his prime would destroy anyone. Arthur Dayne, Barristan Selmy, Jaime Lannister, The hound and the mountain, you name it and Robert would destroy them.

What are you talking about? Oberyn,Jamie, and the hound would split matches with him out of a set of 10 no doubt. And Jamie would win at least 6.

Arthur Dayne and Barry he may win 2 or 3 but honestly unless he got them trapped into a corner, both are so graceful and yet so strong and way more proficient with their weapons.... He migh win 1 bro I'm sorry. Shit happens in a fight and Arthur and Barry could control said shit better than Robert (faster,more aware, but also would Ali Roberts foreman and tire him out) 

The  Mountain is hard to say. All you guys want to talk about is how Roberts Warhammer could pierce armor so easily, but I'm pretty sure Warhammer is never had to be used  against a man who is over 8 feet tall over 400 pounds of muscle.  Plate that other men couldn't even lift with all their friends.  In this freak is wearing it and still moving quickly for his size.  Imagine him without the armor how quick he must be.  I've always thought Robert was about 6ft6 and 240-265 lbs in his prime and his is def all muscle as Ned says it was.  This was the hardest one to pick for me. So I'm gonna say Robert wins either six, or they tie.  But I could totally see Robert getting in on Gregory and using John Aarons hunting knife to finish the job.  Robert has a great chance of getting in close to Gregor without getting hurt compared to other characters. 

 But I could also see Gregory absolutely picking Robert up and power bombing his ass / out muscling  him in a close quarters situation. Also the mountain is more savage then Robert.  The mountain could win nine of them I'm not really sure to be honest  let me think on this some more 

[One-eyed Misbehavin]

3 hours ago, Free folk Daemon said:

Robert fought valiantly, Robert fought nobly, Robert fought honorably. And Robert died.

Lol +1

[Universal Sword Donor]

18 hours ago, BricksAndSparrows said:

From all this talk of Robert’s off-horse prowess, you would think there would be all these examples of him fighting on foot. But there are not.

Like when he popped out of Stoney Sept and nearly killed Jon Connington while nursing a wound?

Being the first over the walls and killing Marq Grafton?

Killing Myles Mooton at the Battle of the Bells? (to be fair we don't know if he was on horse or on foot at this point, but he was when he almost killed JonCon)

There are other possibilities but they are not probably. Frankly I think Gulltown is every bit of equal from a fighting perspective as Duskendale. He was the first one up onto heavily manned and defended walls. Yet he fought through everyone present and killed Marq Grafton, who might even have been the commander (speculation on my part for sure). Barry definitely did some badass shit at Duskendale but coming out unscathed from being the first on the wall isn't exactly fighting through wet tissue.

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

23 hours ago, One-eyed Misbehavin said:

Maelys just seemed like a freak to me when I read the world book so maybe im biased. Robert is always near the top of my fighters list. But either way Barry would see every millimeter of that tall frame he is the best in the series at analyzing an opponent for strengths and weaknesses and I'm just of the opinion Barry could move and parry (I know parrying Robert's warhammer sounds ridiculous but Barry would) and i think Barry would come out injured but the victor 

Like i said before bro, imo when it's bob barri dayne or jaime i can't dispute bets because to me they are the top of the chain per grrm...

I myself see the warhammer specialist genetic freak manage a kill shot before getting cuts in armoured gaps that would kill, but if someone sees barri escaping all those one-shot kills in personal combat, hey i find it a miracle but i call it a truce 

[BricksAndSparrows]

10 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said:

Like when he popped out of Stoney Sept and nearly killed Jon Connington while nursing a wound?

Being the first over the walls and killing Marq Grafton?

Killing Myles Mooton at the Battle of the Bells? (to be fair we don't know if he was on horse or on foot at this point, but he was when he almost killed JonCon)

There are other possibilities but they are not probably. Frankly I think Gulltown is every bit of equal from a fighting perspective as Duskendale. He was the first one up onto heavily manned and defended walls. Yet he fought through everyone present and killed Marq Grafton, who might even have been the commander (speculation on my part for sure). Barry definitely did some badass shit at Duskendale but coming out unscathed from being the first on the wall isn't exactly fighting through wet tissue.

That's two examples. Two examples, dressed up to look like 3, I might add...

I'm not saying Robert couldn't fight on foot. Or even that he was anything less than a legendary warrior.

I spent a large part of my last post trying to dismantle this notion that Robert wasn't remarkable fighting from horseback. 

I believe Cersei's comment about his jousting, has been misused. 

Now, about Gulltown vs. Duskendale, I'll say this. I think Robert's feats were 1 in 1000. But Duskendale was 1 in a million.

There are probably not too many people who are "first over the wall" and survive. But they're out there. 

Duskendale is one of a kind. The whole city was in alarm. They were chasing him and Aerys through the streets. Tywin could hear the ruckus from outside the walls, he was trying to shoot the guards down to make way for Barristan. That's what Selmy was fighting his way through.

In order forGulltown to compare, Robert would have had to have been the ONLY man over the wall, except for the unarmed half starved Targaryen he'd have to be dragging along and protecting.

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

On 09/09/2016 at 0:20 PM, devilish said:

Hey mate

Don't stress out. Seriously it wasn't meant as a jab towards you or anything. I am actually loving discussing with you.

Yeah it's fun stuff and hard for me to think out of fanboy zone, those 2 are my favourite warriors, stormlanders representing, i'm a solid snake fanatic and young selmy is short of a bandana mate

[goomba]

13 hours ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said:

Like i said before bro, imo when it's bob barri dayne or jaime i can't dispute bets because to me they are the top of the chain per grrm...

Indeed! those 4 are the best  

[Universal Sword Donor]

12 hours ago, BricksAndSparrows said:

That's two examples. Two examples, dressed up to look like 3, I might add...

I'm not saying Robert couldn't fight on foot. Or even that he was anything less than a legendary warrior.

I spent a large part of my last post trying to dismantle this notion that Robert wasn't remarkable fighting from horseback. 

I believe Cersei's comment about his jousting, has been misused. 

Now, about Gulltown vs. Duskendale, I'll say this. I think Robert's feats were 1 in 1000. But Duskendale was 1 in a million.

There are probably not too many people who are "first over the wall" and survive. But they're out there. 

Duskendale is one of a kind. The whole city was in alarm. They were chasing him and Aerys through the streets. Tywin could hear the ruckus from outside the walls, he was trying to shoot the guards down to make way for Barristan. That's what Selmy was fighting his way through.

In order forGulltown to compare, Robert would have had to have been the ONLY man over the wall, except for the unarmed half starved Targaryen he'd have to be dragging along and protecting.

If you wanna call me out for 'bullshit', make sure I don't add a frickin disclaimer in the post. 

And Duskendale in total is easily 1 in a million. The fighting wasn't so much. In video games parlance, it's escort mission with fewer enemies vs  running into a meat grinder. And Selmy was on horseback and running when Tywin was clearing the walls. He wasn't fighting. Once they got past the stables, there was no more fighting. 

“He hurried with the king to the stables, fighting his way through those who tried to intervene, and the two were able to ride out of Dun Fort before the castle’s gates could be closed. Then there was the wild ride through the streets of Duskendale, while horns and trumpets sounded the alarm, and the race up to the walls as Lord Tywin’s archers attempted to clear it of defenders.”

Now he definitely was a John McClain clone or better during the rescue but you don't have to dress it up.

 

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

Here's my two simple cents, to me barristan selmy is the GREATEST SOLDIER EVER, solid snake, a beast of sword, lance, horse, stealth, the art of war master, the margin quoter, yoda...

That said, robert to me is the pinacle of a warrior and has the most physical+skill atributes ever, almost cheat codes... "Legendary prowess"

In many situations selmy is the king

1v1 on foot i can't see selmy cut the armour gaps and kill bob BEFORE bob lands those one-hit fatalities(he's too good aswell... BUT i agree if a miracle can happen in battle solid selmy is the one who would make my brow rise only 1\100 of an inch...

[Jon's Queen Consort]

My guess is that if Baristan had met Robert we would have relieved from his boring, subservient and annoying presence.

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

14 minutes ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

My guess is that if Baristan had met Robert we would have relieved from his boring, subservient and annoying presence.

Yes, he says some crap sometimes but age reaches us all 

 

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

5 hours ago, goomba said:

Indeed! those 4 are the best  

fantastic 4

[Jon's Queen Consort]

19 minutes ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said:

Yes, he says some crap sometimes but age reaches us all 

Barristan should had been dead before or at least during the Defiance of Duskendale. 

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

2 minutes ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

Barristan should had been dead before or at least during the Defiance of Duskendale. 

Barristan himself would relish that, like Robert after the Trident... a death worthy of Achilles and Hector

[One-eyed Misbehavin]

Is there really no chance that Daemon Targ Daemon Blackfyre or even Maegor could hang with these guys? Also if a warhammer is so perfect for executing enemies why did tywin not supply a trainer for Gregor to use 1 (he could lift 2 actually) But obviously that's not very tactical whatsoever but he could still have a giant one that would be light for him. And by the way, the mountain could possibly be your 4th not Robert (or oberyn and don't y'all dare say oberyn is inferior to any of these guys or you're.... Not reading well enough) 

I thinks it's ridiculous to say (especially these books) that there are 4 warriors "without peer" 

[OmnomnomPomelo]

RIP Robert

Then seeing Robert's fall the rebels would flee and the Targaryens are still rulers of Westeros, or the rebels keep fighting, win, and Ned or Jon Arryn becomes the king instead of Robert.