Paxter Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 35 minutes ago, Yukle said: No. Australians will now like to say that it is, to lessen how bad this was. But it is not especially common, which is why it makes news when it happens. By definition, it only makes the news when someone gets caught. It’s actually very difficult to know how widespread the practices are, particularly at the First Class and lower levels. Anecdotally, you hear that mint-sucking and scuffing the ball by bouncing it in are ubiquitous in places like England and Pakistan, respectively. Marcus Trescothick’s autobiography was revealing on this point. And international players, including captains like Afridi, Waqar, Atherton, Du Plessis, Dravid and Sachin have all been successfully penalised by the ICC for ball tampering in the past. But of course, that is very different to this incident, by virtue of some of the factors unique to the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 As expected, Warner has emerged from this in by far the worst position of the three. Bancroft’s presser will no doubt prompt some sympathy (some of which is deserved). ETA: Smith has also given a very contrite presser. Will be interesting to see whether any of these players are successful in an appeal process... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Warner's Twitter statement suggests that eventually he'll front up. But out of the three he's taken much less responsibility so far, despite being the ringleader of it all, so his eventual press conference is going to have to be a masterpiece if he's to successfully rehabilitate his reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Warner’s statement was very mealy-mouthed and passive voice “mistakes were made” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Yes I picked up on that. Warner seems least willing to take responsibility - ironic given that he seems to be the most culpable. Smith has left the country again, which is a good idea from a mental health perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Aaaand now Lehmann has resigned. Appropriate and inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 39 minutes ago, Maltaran said: Warner’s statement was very mealy-mouthed and passive voice “mistakes were made” Yes. Warner's stock is really going down, especially given the Smith and Bancroft press conferences that showed genuine remorse. One gets the feeling that Warner still doesn't think he's really at fault. Lehmann was always going to go, it was just a matter of time. Staying in place for the Fourth Test is reasonable. There's a few months' break in international cricket after this I think before the ODI series in the English summer, plenty of time for the new coach to be found and the team to regroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 Jesus, those pressers were hard to watch. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to have some sympathy for them. Warner, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 59 minutes ago, Hereward said: Jesus, those pressers were hard to watch. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to have some sympathy for them. Warner, not so much. I haven't seen the Bancroft statement but the Smith one's brutal. I'm not his biggest fan but, yeah, it's hard not to feel for him a bit. Ali, unsurprisingly, and Woakes, a little surprisingly, are out for England for the second test in New Zealand. Wood, Leach and Vince are in 12 man squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 Because nothing says "shoring up a brittle batting line up" quite like James Vince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 4 hours ago, ljkeane said: I haven't seen the Bancroft statement but the Smith one's brutal. I'm not his biggest fan but, yeah, it's hard not to feel for him a bit. I'm not particularly sympathetic about the effects of their bans, but I do feel some sympathy for them being in the maelstrom of criticism this has generated since it must feel a bit like their entire country feels betrayed by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 I feel like I got caught up in the schadenfreude, but also that I am complicit in the social media witch burning, which I so abhor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Hereward said: I feel like I got caught up in the schadenfreude, but also that I am complicit in the social media witch burning, which I so abhor. Ha yes a lot of people were calling talkback radio expressing a similar feeling. Personally I still have no problem with the sanctions imposed (and anyway they have the right to appeal to an independent commissioner now). But it’s fair to say that these two guys have a right to redemption. Those calling for life bans etc have probably been made to look a little foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 Perhaps I’m just worried that this witch burning is just going to make the Australian cricket team even more annoyingly pious and self righteous in the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Leach is in for England, which is good. Vince is also back in, which is, er, less good. Wood's also playing which I'm agnostic about; I suppose he's got some pace at least. ETA: And Vince is in the 3rd over. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 How is Vince getting a game. Terrible stuff. May as well bring back Mark Ramprakash or Ian Ward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 57 minutes ago, Hereward said: Perhaps I’m just worried that this witch burning is just going to make the Australian cricket team even more annoyingly pious and self righteous in the future! Yes that is something I’m dreading too. I can already picture the ovation at the SCG when Smith cracks a comeback hundred. Blehhhhh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Paxter said: How is Vince getting a game. Terrible stuff. May as well bring back Mark Ramprakash or Ian Ward. I suppose when you've just been bowled out for 58 a batsman who specialises in pretty but ineffective 30s might not seem too bad, but I agree that it's an odd choice. I'm not sure why he was even selected on the tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 No edge behind at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 So far, so good... (Stupid two test-match series). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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