US Politics: Make Thread Titles Great Again

[Varysblackfyre321]

46 minutes ago, Altherion said:

That's how it starts -- and there are enough people who have studied history to know how it ends that once you begin walking down that road, the choice won't be yours anymore.

Nice try, but I don't think this will do. It's not a bad strategy and it worked brilliantly for Democrats in the past, but it requires people to disregard a nationally publicized investigation and a multitude of other publicized stories and trust studies by experts who say that these are exceptions rather than the rule. The problem with it is that it requires some measure of faith in the experts -- and while you might get it from most people in this thread and from the rest of the people who already agree with you, such faith is in short supply among everyone else.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5967 Yeah the Burea of Justice documenting of hate crimes that are reported on annuly  is totally undercut by a few dozen or so cases that that got ton of so cases and and shown to be false. 

The statistics of kids in the LGBTQ community being bullied in school doesn't beat out the fact a couple gay men were found to have faked their abuse. Seriously, though your reasoning relies on people just taking a few select stories of discrimination that were widely circulated in the public that turned out  be false  instances over hard data that contradicts the idea of them being the norm in the vast majority of these cases. Ignore the experts, ignore the data, Smullet's case and a few dozen others trumps all that

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House passes resolution to rescind Trump's emergency declaration.

[Altherion]

43 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

The fuck, did you just say hate crimes aren't real?

No, I'm saying the majority of people no longer trust the people who conduct studies about this. Here's a Gallup poll on trust in various institutions. Higher education is at 48% so even with the mixing together of every subject it's not above half and, if you scroll down to the overall list of institutions, you'll see that every other group that might be conducting them is even less trusted (the only ones above 50% are the military, small business and the police).

[Darth Richard II]

So?

No seriously, so?

[Varysblackfyre321]

1 minute ago, Darth Richard II said:

So?

No seriously, so?

So the the data being reported of Discrimination doesnt matter silly. Only cases like Smullet should be used as evidence. National surveys where kids asked if they've been bullied because of their sexuality or gender? Those dont matter! A famous gay actor faked his abuse therefore homophobia is no longer an issue for this country. That should matter more to people. 

[DMC]

6 minutes ago, Altherion said:

Here's a Gallup poll on trust in various institutions. Higher education is at 48% so even with the mixing together of every subject it's not above half and, if you scroll down to the overall list of institutions, you'll see that every other group that might be conducting them is even less trusted (the only ones above 50% are the military, small business and the police).

The BJS, which is part of the DOJ, is not an option in Gallup's item (the only option that could encapsulate that is "police," which has the third highest confidence after the military and small business).  Also, the 48% number only adds "great deal" or "quite a lot" responses, it leaves out "some."  And I'm sure plenty of respondents that have "some" confidence in higher education would still trust peer-reviewed research.  But, I suppose your misuse and misunderstanding of that poll helps reinforce your point.

Anyway, the problem isn't you saying a lot of people no longer trust "experts" and rather are deluded by propaganda or anecdotal evidence.  It's your implication that this is a good thing that's the problem.

[Darth Richard II]

I mean, a lot of people don't believe in evolution. That doesn't make it suddenly not real.

[Darth Richard II]

Just now, DMC said:

The BJS, which is part of the DOJ, is not an option in Gallup's item (the only option that could encapsulate that is "police," which has the third highest confidence after the military and small business).  Also, the 48% number only adds "great deal" or "quite a lot" responses, it leaves out "some."  And I'm sure plenty of respondents that have "some" confidence in higher education would still trust peer-reviewed research.  But, I suppose your misuse and misunderstanding of that poll helps reinforce your point.

Anyway, the problem isn't you saying a lot of people no longer trust "experts" and rather are deluded by propaganda or anecdotal evidence.  It's your implication that this is a good thing that's the problem.

Yeah that's definitely a bad thing. I just. I have no words anymore for this shit.

[Centrist Simon Steele]

I'm so glad the elite have decided to speak for the rest of us: Ivanka explaining how most people don't want more money, they want to work for the meager scraps they're getting.

[Zorral]

58 minutes ago, Simon Steele said:

I'm so glad the elite have decided to speak for the rest of us: Ivanka explaining how most people don't want more money, they want to work for the meager scraps they're getting.

Our slaves are really happy in their happy well-fed, well-cared for lives here on the plantation, etc. and it's only those crazies coming down from up north that gets them thinking they aren't having the happiest bestest lives evah!  So we need to have censors to examine All the Mails in the Post Office comin' in here in Charleston, you betcha. 

Hey Cas! -- we ain't stuck in the 20th century, we're goddamned stuck in the 19th!

[Zorral]

Ah, somebody else saw that Gaetz twit -- which I did only coz somebody sent it to me.

[Altherion]

47 minutes ago, DMC said:

The BJS, which is part of the DOJ, is not an option in Gallup's item (the only option that could encapsulate that is "police," which has the third highest confidence after the military and small business).

It's somewhere between that and the criminal justice system (third to last). It's unfortunate that they don't include the government agencies.

51 minutes ago, DMC said:

Anyway, the problem isn't you saying a lot of people no longer trust "experts" and rather are deluded by propaganda or anecdotal evidence.  It's your implication that this is a good thing that's the problem.

I don't think it's unequivocally a good thing. For example, it sweeps in a lot of things that are good science, but happen to be political fighting grounds -- global warming is both the most obvious and most extreme of these.

[Varysblackfyre321]

2 minutes ago, Altherion said:

It's somewhere between that and the criminal justice system (third to last). It's unfortunate that they don't include the government agencies.

I don't think it's unequivocally a good thing. For example, it sweeps in a lot of things that are good science, but happen to be political fighting grounds -- global warming is both the most obvious and most extreme of these.

So do actually disagree with the article of the SPLC in question? 

[Varysblackfyre321]

1 hour ago, DMC said:

The BJS, which is part of the DOJ, is not an option in Gallup's item (the only option that could encapsulate that is "police," which has the third highest confidence after the military and small business).  Also, the 48% number only adds "great deal" or "quite a lot" responses, it leaves out "some."  And I'm sure plenty of respondents that have "some" confidence in higher education would still trust peer-reviewed research.  But, I suppose your misuse and misunderstanding of that poll helps reinforce your point.

Anyway, the problem isn't you saying a lot of people no longer trust "experts" and rather are deluded by propaganda or anecdotal evidence.  It's your implication that this is a good thing that's the problem.

Please, it’s far more practical to look at near isolated incidents of faux hate crimes to determine the level of discrimination going in America than actual evidence. Get with the times mab

[Varysblackfyre321]

1 hour ago, The Great Unwashed said:

House passes resolution to rescind Trump's emergency declaration.

Well that was expected no?

[DMC]

25 minutes ago, Altherion said:

It's unfortunate that they don't include the government agencies.

I'm sure the split on the DOJ would be very dependent on approval/disapproval of Trump.  

ETA:  Figured I'd google DOJ approval rating, and this is what I got.  DOJ has a 59/32 split.  The FBI (which also has plenty of hate crime stats) is at 66/23.  The poll is from a year ago.  Pretty popular.

25 minutes ago, Altherion said:

I don't think it's unequivocally a good thing. For example, it sweeps in a lot of things that are good science, but happen to be political fighting grounds -- global warming is both the most obvious and most extreme of these.

K...but the BJS statisticians don't conduct "good" science?  

[Centrist Simon Steele]

1 hour ago, Triskele said:

It's been interesting to see how certain segments of the right like parts of Trumpworld plus the usual suspects are so sure that attacking the left as socialist is still the same winning playbook, but there's also some pockets where they acknowledge how much these attacks don't stick like they used to, and you can sense a palpable fear from some on the right that the US is poised to elect a more left-leaning President than ever.  Time will tell.

Agreed! But, I think the one unaware exception to this nervousness/fear has to be the Trump family. I think they believe they're actually winning. But I guess, they thought they were winning last time too (actually, they didn't, even they thought they'd lose, ha), and here we are.