kiko Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Luzifer's right hand said: You live in extremly left leaning area of Bavaria though :p. I live closer to the real "fun" Bavarians than you I think. The left leaning is in places like Erlangen and Nürnberg, maybe. Siemens, Adidas and the University import some normal people. But even here we have a permanent CSU majority in Federal elections. Go figure. And Söder is not from Bavaria, he is born in this region. Also in my town lives Karl-Heinz Hoffman in his castle next to the former synagogue. And our Neighbor town is Gräfenberg with its annual Nazi demonstration to honor Rudolf Hess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 4 hours ago, kiko said: The left leaning is in places like Erlangen and Nürnberg, maybe. Siemens, Adidas and the University import some normal people. But even here we have a permanent CSU majority in Federal elections. Go figure. And Söder is not from Bavaria, he is born in this region. Also in my town lives Karl-Heinz Hoffman in his castle next to the former synagogue. And our Neighbor town is Gräfenberg with its annual Nazi demonstration to honor Rudolf Hess... Damn. Seems like things went a bit downhill from a neigbourhood point of view. I always had the feeling I left the worst parts of the "Polizeistaat" behind me when I reached Nürnberg. I hope it does not affect your familiy in a negative way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Not really. We managed to pollute the area with a lot of foreigners (both from real Germany and from abroad). Most of the locals are quite nice but also more bad apples than expected. Let's see if I will really join the local Greens and the maybe learn a bit more about the local politics. As far as I can see so far the main topic is how to grab as much opportunities to make money from real estate and farm land. We right now push for the town to join the regional anti Nazi organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylla Manderly Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 6:24 PM, Luzifer's right hand said: Interessting thanks. https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000118209069/mehr-als-1000-mitarbeiter-eines-deutschen-schlachthofs-positiv-getestet The shitty German labor standards when it comes to low status jobs were always a bit of a nightmare from an outsiders point of view but this is even worse than the usual stuff. But the economy right? The land of the Aufstocker and Werkverträge I guess. Edit: Not that our treatment of workers from eastern Europe is better. Sorry for the belated response. I totally agree with you on this. Maybe the current siutation at least sheds some light on the labor standards in these jobs and how the workers from Eastern Europe are treated. But I fear a lot of people won't care as long the meat is cheap. In general I think a lot of the "Werkverträge" are a circumvention of the normal labour restrictions. They are even worse than a regular "Leiharbeitsvertrag". This doesn't only apply to meat processing but also to mail delivery or construction. And the people working in these jobs are seldom organized and often don't know about their basic rights. Heck, even in other jobs "Werksverträge" are used. A friend of mine works as a receptionist for a big multinational firm. Her contract is with another firm who has a "Werkvertrag" with the firm where she works at. She has been there for at least 10 years. When some years ago all the regular "Leiharbeitsverhältnisse" had to be turned into regular jobs the "Werksverträge" were not included. For a short while she thought about suing. But there you have the financial risks and she didn't have an insurance. Her employer also "provides" technicians who only work for the main employer. In my opinion these are not "Werksverträge" and this really should be regulated not only for the meat processong industy but generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarich II Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Quote Werksverträge You'll have a hard time just regulating this type of contract without unintended consequences though. It's a very basic type of contract, that is used in many, many everyday transactions, b2b and b2c and many of them are not problematic at all. You get your car fixed, you go to the hairdresser, you order a custom build website, you want your house cleaned, your office cleaned etc. etc. all these transactions are often covered by this type of contract, where you basically pay for the result rather than the labour put into it. When you start to regulate the basics of contract law, only because in a very specific area it is not always clear when you will cross over from general contract law to lex specialis labour law, you will inadvertedly create many problems and maybe even loopholes that you never intended. It therefore makes more sense to start with lex specialis, in this case contract law governing labour contracts (individual and collective) and broaden who and what kind of contract falls under this law, like the rules regarding disguised employment regulations are regulated via social security law rather than general contract law. Of course the general awfulness of the meat industry with regards to labour conditions is noting new, the only difference is that it happens right under our noses rather than in a Bangladeshi sweatshop and we still manage to ignore it to keep the cheap shit coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylla Manderly Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Alarich II said: Snip I know how to differiantiate between a "Werkvertrag" and a "Dienstvertrag". That is exctly the reason why I think it problematic. All the examples you mentioned are typical of the "Werkvertrag" according to the BGB. What I mentioned are examples where I think the employer wants to circumvent the labor law rules. The employees work all the time for the same firm over a long time and are involved in the regular working process of the employer. Where I agree with you is, that the regulation shouldn't necesserily be in the contract law but in the more specialised law (the AÜG, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Of course the general awfulness of the meat industry with regards to labour conditions is noting new, Upton Sinclair's The Jungle anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Galactus said: Upton Sinclair's The Jungle anyone? Except that here they are not supposed to stay. And if I remember the family in Jungle even had their own house (albeit with a catch...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Nvm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/or-gas-them-germanys-far-right-afd-fires-official-over-migrant-comment/ar-BB19vnFG?OCID=ansmsnnews11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 Curious, of all the recent news (past one or two months), the least surprising one gets picked up. I mean, I was tempted to start something about Wirecard, and how in one of the biggest fraud scandal in the past 20 years or so of course Karl Theodor zu Copy and Pastenberg was involved, and lobbying hard for them. How Wirecard and Warburg are now two big financial scandals hounding Olaf Scholz, and yet despite all that he still remains the most credible pick to lead the SPD into their next election defeat. Or somebody could've wished a good riddance to Wolfgang Clement with some unkind words. We also had that Bavarian moron, ok, that was way too unspecific, I mean Scheuer, is yet again in deep shit over his moronic toll project, and lying to parliament. And he somehow is still not in danger of losing his job. Could've also ranted about Klöckner being intellectual unfit to be charge of any ministry and in the pocket of the industry. And that water is wet. We had the search for a permanent storage location for nuclear waste (unsurprisingly) ruling out the Asse as not safe in round one (the political legacy of Uschi's daddy), and how the Bavarian hypocrites now pretend that compromised the process (basically because it makes a location down there way more likely). We could've mocked von der Leyen and Seehofer over their pretty speeches about a European solution for the refugee crisis. Well, Uschi for that, and Seehofer over his hypocrisy (CSU trademark trait) of praising Orban a few years ago, over his treatment of refugees, and now acting surprised disappointment, that Orban is a complete wanker, and not being interested in a European solution. And yet, the first post in months is about the AfD showing their true colours yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 What keeps me more worried is the real possibility of Maerz becoming our new Bundeskanzler. We live in a world where one almost wishes for Soeder to step up. That's some dire stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarich II Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 17 hours ago, kiko said: What keeps me more worried is the real possibility of Maerz becoming our new Bundeskanzler. We live in a world where one almost wishes for Soeder to step up. That's some dire stuff. Considering all the options ahead of us, I believe that in a few years time, many people - left and right - will look back at the Grand Coalition under Merkel as some kind of golden age of political stability and prosperity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 https://mobile.twitter.com/tian_binder/status/1309816311808167942?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1309816311808167942|twgr^share_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-2782127430951818322.ampproject.net%2F2009190410002%2Fframe.html Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Looks like you guys dodged the Merz bullet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoannaL Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Well, I 'm not happy. Merz would have obliberated the AFD. Now things will go on as is and the real conservatives will continue to mix with the right wing idiots and thats really not a good development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 Not how it works. The idea, that a more right wing conservative party, would obliberate the AfD has been debunked quite often in local elections. They tried that in Bavaria, and they have very credible cretins on the right there. I mean the senile gramps in charge of the police was back then fellating Orban, and they have been moaning about refugee limits. Now, the Franconian oaf is pretending to be a green politician trapped inside a guy, who was jacking it under a poster of FJS. Saxony has one of the most right wing CDU arms in Germany (and no, Kretschmer is not a liberal by any stretch). All it did, was make the CDU/CSU bleed voters left and right. It's not like, I would particularly mourn their losses, but they would still emerge as relatively strongest party, and the AfD would still be around, and we would've chancellor Merz. Now they've Laschet, who is (presumably) a weak candidate, the CDU might very well lose votes left and right (arguably a bit more to the right), But the Hobbit has one thing going for him, he is not Merz. I hope Merz buggers off on his private plane to blackrock again, whining about how the establishment doesn't like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 The move right approach worked really well here in Austria. The conservative party is as far right as the right wing party was 20 years ago and the right wing party is as close to Nazis as legally possible. Together they have more than 50% and they only reason that their goverment failed was imcompetent greed and a hidden camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 I was somewhat hoping for a Merz win. Nobody sane would vote for him, right? Right? But on a more serious note. Considering that CDU will win anyway ( coming back to the state of the sanity of the voters...), he is the best choice available. Since I'm exiled in Bavaria, how is the situation back home? Any chance to kick out CDU and especially F.D.P. In Düsseldorf now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 10 hours ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Not how it works. The idea, that a more right wing conservative party, would obliberate the AfD has been debunked quite often in local elections. They tried that in Bavaria, and they have very credible cretins on the right there. I mean the senile gramps in charge of the police was back then fellating Orban, and they have been moaning about refugee limits. Now, the Franconian oaf is pretending to be a green politician trapped inside a guy, who was jacking it under a poster of FJS. Saxony has one of the most right wing CDU arms in Germany (and no, Kretschmer is not a liberal by any stretch). All it did, was make the CDU/CSU bleed voters left and right. It's not like, I would particularly mourn their losses, but they would still emerge as relatively strongest party, and the AfD would still be around, and we would've chancellor Merz. Now they've Laschet, who is (presumably) a weak candidate, the CDU might very well lose votes left and right (arguably a bit more to the right), But the Hobbit has one thing going for him, he is not Merz. I hope Merz buggers off on his private plane to blackrock again, whining about how the establishment doesn't like him. Why vote for the guy whose doing similar things to the far right, but in a slightly less polite way? That’s not just a question for people who lean on the left, but people on the right as well. Plenty on the far right will simply keep voting for the far right candidates. People towards the center right just moved the center farther right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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