a free shadow Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1. Object that never existed 2. "Non-existing" part does not come from the fact that someone made up or implied it's existense (said they had a pretend weapon, etc.) 3. Not from a myth or a legend 4. Not from a dream, vision, prophecy, etc. 5. First mentioned in AGoT or ACoK 6. First mentioned in AGoT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 Is it a man-made object? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1. Object that never existed 2. "Non-existing" part does not come from the fact that someone made up or implied it's existense (said they had a pretend weapon, etc.) 3. Not from a myth or a legend 4. Not from a dream, vision, prophecy, etc. 5. First mentioned in AGoT or ACoK 6. First mentioned in AGoT 7. Unknown if man-made. At the same time, there is a certain reason to assume that it is not unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 withdrawn   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 would the object that never existed fit in a shoebox if it did exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1. Object that never existed 2. "Non-existing" part does not come from the fact that someone made up or implied it's existense (said they had a pretend weapon, etc.) 3. Not from a myth or a legend 4. Not from a dream, vision, prophecy, etc. 5. First mentioned in AGoT or ACoK 6. First mentioned in AGoT 7. Unknown if man-made. At the same time, there is a certain reason to assume that it is not unlikely. 8. More than safe to assume that it would have fitted into a shoebox, just in general. There is also a certain additional reason to assume it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Fist mentioned in an Arya, sansa or catelyn POV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 . 1. Object that never existed 2. "Non-existing" part does not come from the fact that someone made up or implied it's existense (said they had a pretend weapon, etc.) 3. Not from a myth or a legend 4. Not from a dream, vision, prophecy, etc. 5. First mentioned in AGoT or ACoK 6. First mentioned in AGoT 7. Unknown if man-made. At the same time, there is a certain reason to assume that it is not unlikely 8. If it did exist, if would fit into a shoebox 9. First mentioned in an Arya, Sansa or Catelyn POV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 @Castellan, I keep thinking of the box with with the lens and secret message from Lysa. It was a "burn after reading" situation, it also fits in a box. I'm not sure that's it, but could it be something along those lines... something where the existence of it was denied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 So, the question to the host: Has the existence of this object been denied in some way (obfuscation/obliteration)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 If answer to Jez Bell's question is no, can I ask Did it never exist because it was something that existed in rumour; or because it's something that someone wanted or wished for and did not get? PS I would add 'or because its an errata in the text' but I have checked them and think it unlikely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 13 hours ago, Jez Bell said: So, the question to the host: Has the existence of this object been denied in some way (obfuscation/obliteration)? I am not sure I understand exactly Do you mean to ask if the object really exists (or existed), but someone either lied it doesn't or destroyed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, a free shadow said: I am not sure I understand exactly Do you mean to ask if the object really exists (or existed), but someone either lied it doesn't or destroyed it? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1. Object that never existed 2. "Non-existing" part does not come from the fact that someone made up or implied it's existense (said they had a pretend weapon, etc.) 3. Not from a myth or a legend 4. Not from a dream, vision, prophecy, etc. 5. First mentioned in AGoT or ACoK 6. First mentioned in AGoT 7. Unknown if man-made. At the same time, there is a certain reason to assume that it is not unlikely 8. If it did exist, if would fit into a shoebox 9. First mentioned in an Arya, Sansa or Catelyn POV 10. "Non-existing" part does not come from the fact that someone lied it does not exist or that it was destroyed 11. It comes from the fact that someone wanted it and did not get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternally_Theirs Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 If it wasn't for hint 9, I'd say it's either Horn of Joramun or 'crown of gold' used to kill Viserys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I can't stand all the rereading so I will try to narrow it down and ask is it in an Arya or Sansa POV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 10 hours ago, Eternally_His said: If it wasn't for hint 9, I'd say it's either Horn of Joramun or 'crown of gold' used to kill Viserys... crown of gold is a nice one. I have come up with few non-existent objects too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 12. Catelyn POV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Bell Posted August 26, 2020 Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 Was the item described aloud to another character (vs. a personal thought/memory/internal monologue)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Does it appear anywhere in the first six Catelyn chapters? (this-rereading of Catelyn is so depressing. Forgot how sad it all is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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