Bendric Dayne Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Preston Jacobs recently released a video talking about how the mission to go bring justice to the mutineers at Craster’s keep (which is something we see in the show) was originally GRMM’s idea that he later scrapped. In his opinion this was a “boneheaded” idea, but I would respectfully disagree. I understand why this might not be the smartest decision for any of us to make; to risk the lives of our men, when we already have so few, just to go kill some guys who aren’t doing anything. However, from a writing perspective, it makes sense for GRRM to include this for Jon because it fits with his character, he puts honor and justice over self preservation, like Ned. When Ned is given the choice to save his own life by lying and giving up his honor he laughs in Varys’s face, he holds his honor above his self preservation. The only reason he does end up lying is because he holds his daughter’s life above his honor. Had it only been a choice between his life and his honor he had no doubt that he would have chosen his honor. Is it a decision any of us would consider smart? Maybe not, but it makes sense for GRRM to write it considering how he wrote Ned as a character. We might think Ned is being stupid, but it is a good decision made by the author for Ned’s character. Likewise with Jon and Craster’s keep. We might think Jon is “boneheaded” for risking his life and that of his men to bring justice to the mutineers, but the idea for GRRM to write this for Jon isn’t boneheaded at all; it’s a smart idea because it fits with what we know about Jon as a character. When I saw Jon doing this in the show I didn’t think it was weird at all. I didn’t stop and think “hmm this is something that Jon would never do” (which is something I did end up thinking to myself a lot in the later seasons). I would also argue that it isn’t even boneheaded for Jon to do this. The NW is made up of mostly criminals. They are held together by this very thin fabric in the edge of the world. What stops them from overpowering their lords and becoming free again? Perhaps an idea that whoever breaks their vows will suffer justice. So by not bringing justice to the mutineers at Craster’s keep, what kind of message is Jon sending to his men? That they can break their vows and nothing will happen. Those vows are what’s holding the NW together and you can’t allow people to break them. To bring justice to the mutineers is to send a message that justice will be done to anyone who breaks their vows. To not bring them justice is to send a message that you can kill your LC and nothing will happen. If that is allowed chaos will take over the NW and whatever vows held them together will break; the NW itself would break. So from an ideological perspective it makes sense to bring justice to the mutineers. So why would GRRM remove this plot point? The only reason I can think of is that he needs to have the mutineers there for some future reason. If he’s planning on giving Jon POV’s in TWOW as Ghost, he’s going to need to have something for him to do. I don’t think GRRM can afford to have many chapters of characters just walking around doing basically nothing like he did in previous books. A good way to show Ghost traveling north of the wall whilst also doing something is to have him kill the mutineers at Craster’s keep. This way Ghost won’t just fast travel from the Wall to say, Bran’s cave, or wherever it is he’s going. He’ll have a chapter at Craster’s keep where he kills the mutineers which will simultaneously show us how far along north he has gone. I still think we could have seen Jon doing this in ADWD instead of spending so much time just being at the Wall, but if GRRM feels that it would be better to leave the mutineers there so that Ghost has something to do then I think it’s also fine. Also, he maybe just dropped the mutineers from the story and we’re just not gonna see them again and whatever, it’s a pretty minor plot point. If we don’t get any Jon/Ghost POV’s for a while, it can just be mentioned in retrospect how Ghost killed them all or something. Either way if Ghost doesn’t kill them, it’s safe to assume that the Others will, so GRRM doesn’t really have to ever mention the mutineers again if he feels there’s no time for them in the story. What do guys think? Was GRRM right to drop this for ADWD or should he have kept it? Does it make sense for Jon as a character or was it a stupid idea? Will we see this plot point resolved in TWOW or will it just be dropped? P.S. I don’t have anything against Preston Jacobs as a YouTuber. I think his videos are fine and he at least admits that he’s probably 50% wrong about his theories at the end of his videos. I’ll give him credit for being one of the only YouTubers who still constantly drops ASOIAF content even though I prefer the analysis of someone like AltShiftX. I just disagree with Preston on this particular point about the mutineers. Not all of GRRM’s ideas are great, but I wouldn’t call this one “boneheaded” at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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