Samalander Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 But he didn't kill Kanedias's daughter, she still lives.That's more of a banshee kind of thing, not a live woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski the Swift Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 That's more of a banshee kind of thing, not a live woman.I don't understand what you mean, elaborate please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samalander Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Between her Eating habit and striking a deal with the creatures from the other side while dying (dead?), that pretty much makes her undead in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Mongoose Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I get the impression it was Khalul who broke one of the laws first.Bayaz started up the Union and was growing powerful. Khalul began his empire of Eaters to get an upper-hand on Bayaz. Bayaz breaks the First Law in response.Don't we only have Bayaz's word for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Don't we only have Bayaz's word for that?We've got more beyond that.I mean, The First Law is sort of a contradiction to begin with, but Bayaz only went after the Seed when the series started.But by that point, Khalul had been building his Empire of Eaters for .. decades at least. Maybe longer.I think it's pretty obvious that Khalul went for the Big Guns first, even if Bayaz started the original conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Anyway, who else thinks Khalul was Juvens' lover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I think it's pretty obvious that Khalul went for the Big Guns first, even if Bayaz started the original conflict.Not at all. Back in the day, when Bayaz started it, he went for the Big Guns. He attacked and killed the Maker, the biggest gun of all. And his building of an empire goes way back in time to shortly thereafter. We have no evidence that Khalul started building up Ghurkal before Bayaz was established as the man behind the man in Andua.Anyway, who else thinks Khalul was Juvens' lover?Never occured to me, but this would seem to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Not at all. Back in the day, when Bayaz started it, he went for the Big Guns. He attacked and killed the Maker, the biggest gun of all. And his building of an empire goes way back in time to shortly thereafter. We have no evidence that Khalul started building up Ghurkal before Bayaz was established as the man behind the man in Andua.That's .... that's not a "Big Gun" at all. That's juts Bayaz using normal magic to knock off big name gus.Bayaz goes about using normal sorcery and the occasional eater protege for most of his time. It's only when Khalul decides he needs an army of Eaters to take him on that Bayaz breaks the First Law big time and goes after the Seed.Khalul is the one that seriously escalates the conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 That's .... that's not a "Big Gun" at all. That's juts Bayaz using normal magic to knock off big name gus.Bayaz goes about using normal sorcery and the occasional eater protege for most of his time. It's only when Khalul decides he needs an army of Eaters to take him on that Bayaz breaks the First Law big time and goes after the Seed.Khalul is the one that seriously escalates the conflict.You just did an unintentional (I think) sleight of hand. If Big Gun = Khalul getting Ghurkal, then we have no evidence that Khalul went first. Bayaz got Andua very shortly after the Maker dies, no? At least we have absolutely no reason to think that Bayaz got Andua as a reaction to Khalul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delete this account pls Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I think it's kind of irrelevant who 'went first'. The conflict between them has been escalating for some time, IMO, and the deployment of the Seed is just the latest example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Silver Isles Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Anyway, who else thinks Khalul was Juvens' lover?Where'd you get that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Ancient Greek society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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