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  1. @The hairy bear checked the timeline. It can't be Orso's kid unless Savine has been pregnant for over twelve months.
  2. I agree. They were both naïve in ways that I don't think Orso is. Neither of them really thought they would, you know, die, whereas Orso knows and understands there are factions trying to kill him. Nicholas II was also super-religious to the point of passivity (at least when Rasputin wasn't telling him to go to the front). Louis didn't seem to believe the Revolution was actually happening and didn't have the force of personality or interest in stopping it.
  3. Clearly it's Shivers. He's going to be King of the Union.
  4. Can anyone check what the Maker's mark on Logen's sword looked like? Maybe it's an owl.
  5. random thought: Bayaz is all about the free-market right? So if Orso decided to start auctioning off the right to offer gov't loans (banks would bid interest rates i.e. bond auctions basically), then he could hardly protest could he?
  6. He was 72?! Substantially older than I thought he was (based on when I was a kid reading his books as they came out).
  7. It's a spoiler thread no need for umm hiding the spoilers @Mark Antony In that same scene, I wonder if instead of hitting the ground, this was Ishri/Zuri smacking into her and carrying her out of the blast + whiplash.
  8. In his AMA on Reddit Joe said re:magic This might be linked to the Great Change being supernatural. Book 3 might just randomly have Devils spilling into the world. Sadly, that would also mean Bayaz would return to the peak of his power. No more machines! No more debts! Everyone is a free man! 'cept Bayaz can summon tidal waves and hurricanes and iunno... shrink people and feed them to ants?
  9. More thoughts: I thought the Nail had a bit of characterization in the previous book and was a dick? Or maybe I had just assumed that of him given his association with Stour. I don't believe we saw any visions that confirmed Rikke as sitting on the Northern throne, so I'm inclined to think that Calder might actually manage to sneak it back, especially if he has Bayaz's support still. Moreover, of all people Calder is likely to have known the value of an heir and a spare - the mysterious boy is a second, popularly unknown son. Though, I suppose, Calder could take the throne in his own name now. The fact that they have steam engines pumping water out of mines and trains but their cannons are still 14-15th bombards seems a bit of a disconnect. I don't know much about this subject, but my assumption is that the metallurgical skills necessary to make steam engines would presuppose cannons that don't banana-peel themselves? Moreover, if you can make trains.... why does no one have guns? Unless their metallurgy is seriously lagging their mechanical development? re:Savine - I think she is smarter than Cersei and nearly as smart as she thought she was. Though, I believe she had received more help from her father in her investments than she perhaps knew. But the incident in Valbek broke her brain and motivated some very unwise choices. Now she's the daughter of a crippled master swordsman and married to a crippled master swordsman.
  10. Book's done. So the Weaver was Pike eh? But that doesn't seem to comport with the one dude's statement that the Great Change is mystical in nature? So was that criminal just babbling or is there someone behind Pike? I don't think that that necessarily follows. We don't know whether that's his real name or whether Casamir's full name is known to history.
  11. currently reading, ignoring all the other posts in this thread til it's done but, I just had to run here and quote this SHE'S DA MAKERS DAUGHTER AINT SHE Just got to this point. Eegads, it seems the Great Change isn't just a social revolution, it's some kind of attempt to open the gates of Hell and let devils like Euz back into the world? The Bald Weaver doesn't seem like Bayaz to me, but perhaps he's another one the Magi or even that missing son of Euz.
  12. It's such an absurd headline that I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it this morning. I've seen a few people try to defend "Well the villain is a transvestite not trans, so it isn't bigoted." I mean, no duh the villain is a transvestite and not properly trans... Rowling doesn't believe trans-women are a thing. She thinks they're all perverted transvestites trying to invade women's 'safe spaces'... This book is literally an articulation of her views on trans-women.
  13. jurble

    Bakker LVII

    He's saying that there's no disruption there because you said Whereas what you meant was probably "every other person we've seen possessed by a god who also encountered Kelmomas." Gilgaol possessed both Cnaiur and Saubon in the first series, and neither encountered Kelmomas. Psatma similarly never encounters Kelmomas afaik. In any case, Cnaiur is possessed by Ajokli at the end. Not sure why you're contesting that, you can call Bakker and ask, it's not a matter of contention or worth arguing about. Everyone is basically possessed thinking about it, Mimara, I guess has the Holy Spirit inhabiting her. Cnaiur and Kellhus get possessed by Ajokli. Sorweel goes White-Luck which maybe isn't technically possession but is divine shenanigans. Kelmomas is sorta possessed by insofar as his future as the No-God is causing some backwards causality shenanigans. Achamian is possessed by Seswatha. The Dunyain are possessed by Shaeonanra.
  14. jurble

    Bakker LVII

    The two most prominent would be the Hindu caste system and the castas of the Spanish Empire. Historically varna (the four caste distinction brahmin/kshatriya/vaishya/shudra) was only relevant and debated by Brahmins. In practical terms, most people had a jati (a sub-caste in Brahmin eyes but in their eyes more like a ... tribe-guild?) and didn't care about their varna status. But within varna, caste-menial (i.e. lowest caste, is how I took it) would seem like shudra, the day-laborers that worked others' fields and servants etc. Nobility has the connotations of the Turco-Persian landowning class (especially the guys with horses) while the literate class of clerks, ulema (clerics) and merchants practiced it as well. But yes, peasants needed the labor. Sure, which is why a member of the Turco-Persian (or the fantasy equivalent) gentry would be easier than a merchant's son. Well, ultimately, for me, it's about imagining what life was like in ye olden days but without having to research for dates/names/etc "Who was the governor of Lahore in 1315? How many sons did the Sultan have? What was the manner of land tenure was granted nobles in the period, ownership or tax farming or labor-grants etc?" Being historically accurate for historical fiction is a lot of work. I'd like to explore the historical setting without being adherent to the actual trivia like I would be if I were writing historical fiction. And fantastical elements, you know, are cool - jinns and paris, pirs and rishis - to live in the world that people thought they lived in. These supernatural elements were very real to them, they just were lucky enough to never encounter them (or perhaps they think they did). At the same, I'd like to introduce Western audiences to the culture of the Islamic subcontinent (there's obviously a heavy Hindu bias in depictions of India that Westerners are familiar with), of which purdah was a very real element for many people until recently (and still is for women in some areas). But the fear is that, you know, either depiction gets confused with endorsement (and to the degree that I enjoy imagining such a time period because I have the luxury of having testicles that might not be far off the mark) or that women pan the book because they can't relate. My dad's cousin is actually one of the most famous novelists (well was, she's dead) in Pakistan, Razia Butt, and her protagonists are all women, but the novels are 90% household politics/romance due to the constraints of... reality she was trying to work under. If I look to her, for example, as inspiration for my female characters, I suspect that I would be flamed for not giving women agency or limiting them in roles to daughter/wife/mother, ya know? That is, however popular a book I could write would be with the general populace, I want to avoid criticism from Twitter, but maybe the book I want to write isn't really capable of avoiding that, I dunno.
  15. jurble

    Bakker LVII

    Right, that's was in my post but you might've missed it - is it still acceptable in this day and age to a have story where there's barely any women at all aside from maybe visual descriptions of passing villages etc? I mean I took caste-menial to be a shudra and just assumed all the associations related to that. But maybe that doesn't click with people unfamiliar with the caste-system. Dothraki and Essos are just straight up bad and under-thought in terms of world-building. I think part of it is, is the assumption that a fantasy society should resemble existing societies from equivalent Earth periods, because otherwise would be 'unrealistic' insofar as societies develop. Dragons and Others are supernatural entities, but humans are humans and given agricultural societies in Eurasia, Africa and even the Americas all developed patriarchy, there's an assumption that that's the norm for agriculture. Is it necessarily the case? I don't know, but patriarchy and agriculture seem to go hand-in-hand. Assuming that's true, there's a stark area where GRRM's reasoning would fail - the Dothraki equivalents IRL were all fairly gender equal, Huns, Mongols, Scythians etc. The steppe pastoral societies weren't nearly as patriarchal as the neighboring settled societies. This actually intersects with South Asian history as the Turko-Mongol people, such as the Mughals themselves, initially had very different views regarding women's ability... to leave the house (or tent) compared to the 'civilized' Persianate societies they encountered. And there was friction there. One of the chief differences between the Islamic and Hindu societies, and one of the reasons Hindus were unprepared for the initial Islamic invasions was that the Hindu caste-system tended towards limited warfare (Ashoka didn't hold to this, hence his contrition). Peasants weren't attacked and burned out, and armies weren't raised in the tens or hundreds of thousands. It was nobles vs nobles. The same didn't apply to Islamic societies where anyone can pick up a sword and become a ghazi - and peasants are targets. Medieval Islamic India's Turkic nobles explicitly didn't have the same reservations Hindus did about giving anyone who wanted a weapon. Being a ghazi was a praised institution/situation. I mean, look how ignorant (no offense) you as someone very well-read, is of South Asian culture and history. History books are kinda boring, but Fantasy can be a fun way to introduce others to my culture's history. I'm not telling a story about someone breaking caste and cultural norms :O. Rather, my hypothetical story would be about characters that generally adhere to those norms because I think that'd be so much more different (and interesting, to me at least) than something that appeals to Western liberal sensibilities explicitly like Saladin Ahmed's did. I wasn't thinking the main character would be the son of a clerk, as an aside, I was thinking petty nobility. Son of a small Turco-Persian equivalent landowner - otherwise he wouldn't a have horse, and horses are cool. The petty nobility kept the same norms as the middle classes as opposed to the DECADENCE of the palace, ya know. But let's say I set the book in real the world, 13th century North India, and make it historical fantasy/magical realism/whatever the genre is called. Does that obviate that sort of setting criticism?
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