littlespider Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Sansa. With the Strangler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7V3N Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I am now convinced that is is Sandor Clegane. I have come to the realization that in a work of this magnitude, GRRM does not waste words. He has set up Sandor's return not only though the gravedigger, but by having Jaime think to himself of how this or that person would stand no change against the Hound if it truly was Sandor.The Sandor v. Gregor plot is too strong in flavor and scope to have been wasted on the "leave him be" incident in GOT. GRRM, like the writers of Seinfeld, likes to tie things together.Sandor is the younger brother who will slay Ser Robert Strong , and those, with his iron hands, choke the life from Cersei.WOAH! I never thought of that. He would fight for the Faith and be able to live at peace again, knowing (Un)Gregor is dead, and by doing so he would be the one to "kill" Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I am now convinced that is is Sandor Clegane. I have come to the realization that in a work of this magnitude, GRRM does not waste words. He has set up Sandor's return not only though the gravedigger, but by having Jaime think to himself of how this or that person would stand no change against the Hound if it truly was Sandor.The Sandor v. Gregor plot is too strong in flavor and scope to have been wasted on the "leave him be" incident in GOT. GRRM, like the writers of Seinfeld, likes to tie things together.Sandor is the younger brother who will slay Ser Robert Strong , and those, with his iron hands, choke the life from Cersei.That is one of the best theories I've read. Of all the theories on all the things. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorastyrell- Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 She thinks it means Tyrion. A lot of people think it really means Jaime. I personally think that it reffers to Dany. Why? Well, according to Aemon on the ship the prophecy about the return of the dragons reffered to a valanqor and he said that he and Raegher mistook this to mean little brother, however he was now convinced that it was dany, and said that valanqor didn't specify sex, it just meant younger sibling. Since she is the valanqor of prophecy, I think the Magei might have been reffering to Dany as well. Just my two cents.I never thought of it like that! I like that theory. for the longest time I thought it would be Jaime, but he only has one hand, unless he can use his golden hand to strangle her too? Anyway I re-read that part in AFFC today and I was thinking; what if it's Stannis? Stannis is Robert's younger brother... so that's what I'm thinking. Either Stannis or Jaime... I can't see it being Tyrion; he's far from Westeros and I don't think he'll be going back any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Obvious choice is Tyrion. However, I think it`s Jaime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorastyrell- Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 my take: Stannis is "the little brother." Him being Robert's younger brother is an enormous part of his character. And I wouldn't doubt for a second that he'd hesitate to kill Cersei, for whatever reason. As for the younger queen, it's gotta be Daenerys, taking what Cersei holds dear: the throne! and possibly Jaime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonSez Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 What about Littlefinger or Aegon?After reading a few theories of Varys and (Cat's "Little brother") Littlefinger's ultimate plans intertwining, what if to please the new king (Aegon), Littlefinger presents the dead Lannister children and the strangled Cercei at the new king's feet?Or, to avenge his killed kin, Aegon kllls her for Tywin's crimes against the Targeryns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wankerfell Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I don't think it's a death she's talking about. Choking the life from someone can also mean stealing their will or breaking their spirit, or even defeating them in some way. It certainly was not intended to be taken literally, as Jaime is missing a hand, and I'm not entirely sure it's possible for Tyrion to wrap his hands around anyone's throat. Remember, the last time he strangled someone, he used a chain. So we're not talking about literal strangulation here, and probably not even literal death--at least not at someone else's hands. I foresee an Ashara Dayne-esque ending for our Cersei. Those dismissing the "the" before "valonqar" really need to reconsider. The translation of "valonqar" is "little brother," not "your little brother" or "my little brother." It's just "little brother." If you're referring to someone else's brother in, say, Spanish, do you say "How is the hermano?" or do you say "How is YOUR hermano?" Obviously the latter. The phrasing "the valonqar" is deliberate, and meant to convey the idea that it's not literally Cersei's brother, but someone who is a little brother. Whether that's Stannis, or someone else, I couldn't say. It may not even mean "brother" in the familial sense. In any case, it's not meant to be Tyrion or Jaime. The bit about golden crowns doesn't refer to them becoming kings or queens. It just refers to them being Jaime's kids, that they'll be pure Lannisters. "Golden shrouds" conveys the idea that they will die in her lifetime. But what stands out to me most of all is the revelation that Robert has 16 bastards! That was a busy guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePaleMare Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I don't take the prophecy literally. I don't think her brothers will strangle her, however I think a younger brother will "choke" off her kingdom or army or just indirectly cause her death. I think Stannis, Sandor, or Lance l are good candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePaleMare Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Or a younger Kettleblack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Rambling thoughts:Well, like a classic paranoid narcissist, Cersei has made Tyrion her bete noir and is doing everything possible to make him want to strangle her, and also everything possible to get rid of any support from anyone else. I have also been thinking Maggy obviously assessed Cersei as a nasty little girl and seems quite capable of mixing true prophecy with touches designed to make Cersei go absolutely nuts.And may as well air my crackpot thought - when i went back and re-read the prophecy the 'drowning in your own tears' bit nagged at me until I thought perhaps it could refer to the tears of Lys which she might use as her last resort. Yes, I know its a metaphor for grief but I guess all this prophecy dissection has got to me.Sandor seems a real possibility though because he is a character defined by being a little brother, he has also become a loose cannon (if he's still alive). Other little brothers are Loras and Theon. Its really hard to see how Theon could end up killing Cersei though, and why he'd bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Well, I've just been reading the wiki article for Cersei, and at one point it talks about hew she has been haunted by threats of a valonqar who will strangle her.Now most of us, take this to mean Jaime and events seem to be heading that way. However, I got to wondering if valonqar could have a duel meaning and there it was in the article; What if in this phrase Valonqar means literally 'Little Brother' as in 'Small Brother'? This would certainly point to Tyrion being the Volonqar after all.Any ideas, or do you guys think this is just another cracked pot?Taemlyn, Cersei is looking for "her" valonqar's head, so the dwarf saying that isn't all that odd. But, to the best of my knowledge, we've not seen the word used in connection with Dany. Am I right on that?Does Benjen have more reason to kill her than anyone else because of Ned's execution? That, actually, is one thing of which Cersei isn't guilty (although she is largely responsible for the horror that was Joffrey).When I gave up on this: When Tyrion joined the Second Sons and said he was born to it, being a second son himself. So now we have infinity second sons. I just know it cant be Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Everyone is over thinking it. can you really picture Stannis or Sandor or Edmure stabbing cercei, like, haha, you never guessed the little brother was me all along!! Nah. It's got to be Jaime. However predictable, Jaime has the best potential for dramatic resonance.Prophecy mentions two hands. Much as we think Jaime would be poetic and obvious, it is just as obviously not him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheButcherCrow Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 With regard to the meaning of Valonqar, what we know for certain is that Cersei believe's the meaning of the word to be "little brother". We have no double-confirmation(?) of that definition. We can assume that Cersei asked the Maester at The Rock what Valonqar meant & that he replied with "little brother". I have nothing more constructive to add really :) NBCrackpot TheoryAegon is Rhaenys' "little brother". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaqim Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 If I weren't allowed to pick Tyrion or Jaime and I had to pick the "little brother" of this story I would say it was Stannis. There have been several mentions of how he always lived in Robert's shadow and how that drove him to be the person he became. He also is linked by marriage to Cersei. Robert's little brother - I can't think of anyone who makes more sense as the Valonquar. Of course his fear of women and sense of justice would probably prevent him from strangling her. Burning her alive as a sacrifice to R'hllor, now that would be perfectly fine.I know it's from the show but it looks like he's training alreadyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayO2_kDA40c :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adjppm1227 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 That would work. But Martin doesn't play the obvious card so easily. Valonqar means "little brother," and Martin gives us quite a few main characters who are little brothers. Maggy the Frog doesn't say, "your valonqar" she says, "the valonqar." So, the little brother. Euron, Aegon, Loras, Garlan, Edmure, all of these characters are a "little brother." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurm Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Lampmonster nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenHand Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Mayne it means a "little BROTHER" of the Faith. That is to say, the high sparrow kills her. Or perhaps she is acquitted at her trial but some of the sparrows or poor fellows still in King's Landing are outraged and take matters into their own hands, pull her off the dias along the lines of the King's Landing Riot.Juat a thought. An alternative. There are many orders filled with "Brothers" in Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winteriscome Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I am now convinced that is is Sandor Clegane. I have come to the realization that in a work of this magnitude, GRRM does not waste words. He has set up Sandor's return not only though the gravedigger, but by having Jaime think to himself of how this or that person would stand no change against the Hound if it truly was Sandor.The Sandor v. Gregor plot is too strong in flavor and scope to have been wasted on the "leave him be" incident in GOT. GRRM, like the writers of Seinfeld, likes to tie things together.Sandor is the younger brother who will slay Ser Robert Strong , and those, with his iron hands, choke the life from Cersei.nice angle but i dont think thats how it will pan out Sandor has his own story arc; he has to kill Gregor i dont think Cersei will be involved there are alot of other people who want to strangle her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Glokta Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 opening a crackpot right now:We have learned from Aemon that genders in old Valyrian seem to be not that specificCould Valonqar just mean 'a younger sibling' pretty much like with TPTWP and no one looking for a princess?Only problem is, that this would double the amount of suspects for Cersei's upcoming death ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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