Mad Monkey Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Dany and Arya would be the obvious candidates, but even Sansa or Margaery at a pinch. :) It could even be the third Lannister triplet, who Cersei devoured in the womb, who bursts out of her chest alien style. That might explain why some of her clothes aren't fitting in AFFC; she's not pregnant (as some people speculate) -- it's her absorbed sister growing inside of her. What? It's the kind of thing that she would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Killed Kenny Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I was reading the last Dany POV Spoiler and I have one question:Who is the Young Griff? (not just his name, what's his story?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Kenny,Your ADwD question:Read the Tyrion spoiler chapter discussions in the ADwD forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Killed Kenny Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Kenny,Your ADwD question:Read the Tyrion spoiler chapter discussions in the ADwD forum.sorry for not putting the Spoiler thingy. And thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Hey Ran,any thoughts on this post? I was hoping to get your feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 There's been considerable discussion of that question. For my part, I fall on the side that believes that, yes, Tywin Lannister himself had that passage made so he could secretly visit the brothel (and, who knows, there may be secret ways into other brothels). This would (probably) have been after Joanna's death. But there's no absolutly solid proof. GRRM has been asked point-blank and he basically refuses to give an answer on that point, preferring to leave it up to us to speculate on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Thanks, Ran. Maybe one day Varys will spill the beans on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Winter Rose Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Hey Ran,any thoughts on this post? I was hoping to get your feedback.I read that "It was built for THE SECOND HAND IN THE ROW :rofl: " And I really think it was built for second hand in the row because I didn't read it right. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beric_D Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Okay, I see the discussion of characters dying, but has GRRM mentioned anywhere that POV's will die in ADWD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Doesn't the first always get offed? Will, Cressen, Chett, and Pate were all killed off. The trend might continue in the next books. I don't know if he's confirmed it or not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-Law Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Doesn't the first always get offed? Will, Cressen, Chett, and Pate were all killed off. The trend might continue in the next books. I don't know if he's confirmed it or not though.For aDwD, at least.Varamyr six-skins gets killed by wights in the aftermath of the battle with Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Question; forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere, I'm new to the forum. I'm doing a re-read of the series and something thats been nagging at me is Rodrik Cassel's status as a knight. The northmen hold to the old gods and name no knights, so why is he a Ser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinso Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 If he's a Ser, then he's not holding to the Old Gods. It's not like the Seven are forbidden in the North. Ser Jorah Mormont is also a knight, as are the Manderlys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Indeed. The northmen predominantly follow the old gods, but there are those who follow the Seven. Besides Rodrik, Jorah, and the Manderlys, theres' characters like Ser Helman Tallhart, the Lord of Torrhen's Square, Ser Mark Ryswell (one of Ned's companions at the tower of joy), Ser Kyle Condon, and more. You'll see it noted later in Bran's chapter, when he asks about how many knights there are among Robb's host gathering at Winterfell, that there are three-four hundred knights among three thousand horsemen. Which suggests that maybe 10% of the North's population (or, at least, its noble population) follow the Seven, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yeah, I was aware that some percentage do, I recall the conversation between Bran and Maester Luwin, the reason I was a little thrown off is that Ser Rodrik is at Winterfell, while all the other northern knights seem to be from families that have their own lands, e.g. the Manderly's and Mormont's as you said, so he seems like a bit of an anomaly. Also I don't believe his brother Martyn Cassel was a knight, so again, kind of an anomaly, because if he was from a house that worshipped the Seven they would probably both have taken that path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headless Ned Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 quick question and I feel dumb for asking. where is house baratheon seated it? what do we know about them? even on re reads I keep missing these facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 quick question and I feel dumb for asking. where is house baratheon seated it? what do we know about them? even on re reads I keep missing these facts.Storm's End, in the south. Some facts about them would be...the brothers are Robert Stannis and Renly, their father Steffon died in a storm in Shipbreaker bay, they have some old marriage ties to the Targaryen's which was the basis for Robert's claim to the throne, etc etc. Heres some more stuff if you want: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Baratheon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delete this account pls Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yeah, I was aware that some percentage do, I recall the conversation between Bran and Maester Luwin, the reason I was a little thrown off is that Ser Rodrik is at Winterfell, while all the other northern knights seem to be from families that have their own lands, e.g. the Manderly's and Mormont's as you said, so he seems like a bit of an anomaly. Also I don't believe his brother Martyn Cassel was a knight, so again, kind of an anomaly, because if he was from a house that worshipped the Seven they would probably both have taken that path.It seems to be a personal choice, in the North, rather than a family thing. So Roderik chose to follow the Seven, while Martyn and Jory (who surely would have been knighted if he wanted that) stuck to the old gods. The Mormonts are the same - Maege and Dacey are followers of the old gods, IIRC.It also seems like its a pragmatic thing for some. Jorah doesn't strike me as a particularly faithful worshipper either way. Most likely, he gives lip service to the Seven because he wanted a knighthood. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Northmen do the same thing, except go in the opposite direction and stick with the old gods more out of a sense of tradition than any strong belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Makes sense, thanks. Would be interesting to know more about his past, since it says in AGOT that Ned had a sept built in Winterfell when Catelyn came, so I assume there wasn't one before that, thus Rodrik would have had to range further afield to get his knighthood. At that level of detail though I think the question becomes irrelevant, and you probably have the best answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-Law Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 There's a telling moment early in aGoT:"Are you training women here?" the burned man wanted to know. He was muscled like a bull."I am training knights," Ser Rodrik said pointedly. "They will have steel when they are ready. When they are of an age." Why should Northmen be trained as knights? I can't help but feel something of a concession in there by Rodrik that unknighted armoured horsemen are viewed as less worthy than knights in southron eyes, as he's defending his own training regimen against southron criticism. So I suspect his own knighthood may have a little to do with validating his qualification to be master at arms for own of the mightiest houses of the realm....making Winterfell seem not quite so much of a backwater.Plus the Faith and knighthood are present in the north, they're just a minority. It's not like he'd have to go that far to get knighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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