Horza Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'm wondering why then there isn't a Northern word for 'armored noble cavalry guy'? Might be a bit late for him to introduce one (though he's been pushing it with stuff like 'nuncle' 'leal' 'meet' in AFFC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-Law Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'm wondering why then there isn't a Northern word for 'armored noble cavalry guy'? Sandor Clegane is an armored noble cavalry guy, but he's not a knight. It's a specifically religious office, so to me the question is like "why isn't there a Protestant word for Cardinal?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Not really, because they're both performing the same functions, just one's said vows to a bearded man in a dress with a crystal - plus nobles are all about the titles and ranks. As well, in a military context you need to distinguish between 'armored noble cavalry guy' and the other values of 'cavalry guy' as the former are your elites/command cohort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Horza,Luwin says Robb has 3,000 armored lances who are not knights. That would seem to be the phrase to mark out noble, mounted warriors with comparable training to your typical knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Makes sense, thanks. Would be interesting to know more about his past, since it says in AGOT that Ned had a sept built in Winterfell when Catelyn came, so I assume there wasn't one before that, thus Rodrik would have had to range further afield to get his knighthood. At that level of detail though I think the question becomes irrelevant, and you probably have the best answer.I'd always assumed that Ser Rodrik had indeed 'ranged further afield', in the sense of seeing a bit of the world in his youth. He seems experienced, and not just in combat. He might well have been fostered himself in a Southron house, as Ned was: he may have travelled and competed in tourneys, as Jorah did: and he almost certainly fought in Robert's Rebellion and the Greyjoy Rebellion too. He could have switched to Seven worship and earned his knighthood at any of these times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinso Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Didn't he know Ser Aron Santagar, the master-at-arms of the Red Keep? Considering Santagar is a Dornishman, that may well support Mormont's guess how Ser Rodrik may have indeed traveled beyond the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evanesco75 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I know this will likely elicit a great deal of laughter (or irritation) but...How do you pronounce Rhaegar? Is it similar to 'Rager' because that's how I say it in my head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinso Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Something like Ray-Garr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yeah. Ray-garr would be how I say it, and I'm pretty sure that's how George says it. But he also notes people are free to pronounce things however they like -- there's a reason there's no pronunciation guide in the books. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evanesco75 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Cool, and thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delete this account pls Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'd always assumed that Ser Rodrik had indeed 'ranged further afield', in the sense of seeing a bit of the world in his youth. He seems experienced, and not just in combat. He might well have been fostered himself in a Southron house, as Ned was: he may have travelled and competed in tourneys, as Jorah did: and he almost certainly fought in Robert's Rebellion and the Greyjoy Rebellion too. He could have switched to Seven worship and earned his knighthood at any of these times.Given his age, there's even a good chance he saw some action in the War of Ninepenny Kings. It seems like that was a war where a lot of the old guard earned their spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor Targaryen Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 where do you find this novellas like the Seven pointed star and Dunk and Egg and the Mystery knight? do you find them online or at store or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunknegg Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Are there any known "official" pronunciations for these two words?valar morghulisvalar dohaeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbor Gold Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 where do you find this novellas like the Seven pointed star and Dunk and Egg and the Mystery knight? do you find them online or at store or what?Dunk and Egg have appeared in three novellas thus far, called The Hedge Knight, The Sworn Sword, and The Mystery Knight. You can find more information about how to read them here. I believe The Hedge Knight is also in graphic novel form.As for The Seven Pointed Star...I believe that one needs to be ordered from amazon.westeros or checked out from the High Sept Library - I think the distribution rights are exclusive to fantasy land. :)Are there any known "official" pronunciations for these two words?valar morghulisvalar dohaerisThere aren't "official" pronunciations for any of the words. I pronounce them vall-are more-gull-iss and vall-are doe-hair-iss, but who knows if that's right or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunknegg Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 There aren't "official" pronunciations for any of the words. I pronounce them vall-are more-gull-iss and vall-are doe-hair-iss, but who knows if that's right or not?Thank you Arbor. Instead of "official", I should have asked "known from sources of validity," i.e. George in any of his readings, series personnel, etc. I know George is not a stickler for pronunciations and has said so many times, but not sure if anyone has heard him speak those phrases before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant of a Lannister Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 When I read the books I always assumed that the wights and the Others were the same thing, I now know that I was wrong but whats the difference between them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Wights = corpses reanimated by the Others, vulnerable to fireOthers = ice-armored, ice sword-wielding, corpse-reanimating, mysterious creatures vulnerable to dragonglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Wights seem to be unintelligent, like zombies, while Others seem to have wills of their own. There was a suggestion that Craster offers his sons up to the Others; I don't know what happens to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-Law Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 There was a suggestion that Craster offers his sons up to the Others; I don't know what happens to them.You do too; fess up.When Sam treacherously slew an Other with dragonglass it literally melted into a cold puddle. When he (and Jon earlier) burned a wight with ordinary fire, it simply burned. They seem to be made of different matter.This does make me consider something. While we don't know the precise ages of either order, the Pyromancers are said to be older than the Maesters. Perhaps they actually date all the way back to the original Long Night, and their wildfire was a weapon used against the Others and wights? There was a hint that the Citadel supplanted them, suggesting that at one time they may have been kept on retainer by various lords just as the maesters are now. If they really were a factor in the fight against the Others, it would sure as hell make sense for powerful lords to keep one handy back in the era when the Battle for the Dawn was still a vivid memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Concerning wights: when the two wights who rose at Castle Black in AGOT were found, it was mentioned they had clearly died long before...were they laying still on purpose, and rose later? Are wights only animated during the nighttime? I figure one of these two options must apply otherwise it would be oddly convenient that they reanimated the night they were brought back but had just been laying in the forest beforehand. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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