Osha taking over the Reeds

[DurararaFTW]

Exactly...that's why he mentions it does.

He doesn't say anything of the sort, he says it looks like blood but when he tastes it he says it had a bitter taste but not so bitter as acorn paste.

[Padraig]

I suspect that the decision to maximise Osha's role had less to do with respecting the essence of ASOIAF and everything to do with GRRM's announcement that he had the hots for Natalia Tena.

Even if that was true, I really don't think GRRM has that kind of power.

[FanTasy]

Even if that was true, I really don't think GRRM has that kind of power.

It's possibly in one of the Behind the scenes interviews, I guess. I remember GRRM says he was impressed by the performance the actress who plays Osha brought to the screen in Season 1. And that he could imagine writing more for the character in the upcoming storyline than he originally intended.

[Chris77]

I still think that they will end Bran;s storyline in S2 with Theon taking Winterfell and all the Reek/Reed stuff will come in S3. Osha is a bad replacement for the Reeds, since she is highly skeptical in Brans abilities(in Season one: discounting his green dreams), whereas the Reeds encourage him to use them. I can't see them killing off Rickon, since if they plannend that it would have been easier for GRRM to leave him out of the DWD.

In pushing the burning of Winterfell to S3, they circumvent the problem of some actors not appearing for a year. Since it is rumored that they will film both S3 parts back to back and we have app. 20 Episodes for Book three it is likely that they will push parts of AFFC and ADWD in the latter part of S3. Theon and Reek will then appear in S3 and at the end of S4, problem solved. It also saves a lot of budget since you save up some actors for the next season and save the big scene of the siege and burning of Winterfell as well.

Just think about it. Cutting that stuff from Season 2 frees up enough time to get the rest of the story out without to much condensing. We all screamed for more that 10 episodes, by shortening the story, 10 episodes would be fine.

On the other hand, 20 episodes for Book 3 alone would be too much. By inegrating the REEds/Reek and Tully into it as well as a bit of the ADWD/AFFC story we might get a lot of the story accross and they could then do a single Season for the rest of ADWD/AFFC. We would have 5 seasons of 10 episodes for 5 books and would

[StarkBlack21]

I still think that they will end Bran;s storyline in S2 with Theon taking Winterfell and all the Reek/Reed stuff will come in S3. Osha is a bad replacement for the Reeds, since she is highly skeptical in Brans abilities(in Season one: discounting his green dreams), whereas the Reeds encourage him to use them. I can't see them killing off Rickon, since if they plannend that it would have been easier for GRRM to leave him out of the DWD.

In pushing the burning of Winterfell to S3, they circumvent the problem of some actors not appearing for a year. Since it is rumored that they will film both S3 parts back to back and we have app. 20 Episodes for Book three it is likely that they will push parts of AFFC and ADWD in the latter part of S3. Theon and Reek will then appear in S3 and at the end of S4, problem solved. It also saves a lot of budget since you save up some actors for the next season and save the big scene of the siege and burning of Winterfell as well.

Just think about it. Cutting that stuff from Season 2 frees up enough time to get the rest of the story out without to much condensing. We all screamed for more that 10 episodes, by shortening the story, 10 episodes would be fine.

On the other hand, 20 episodes for Book 3 alone would be too much. By inegrating the REEds/Reek and Tully into it as well as a bit of the ADWD/AFFC story we might get a lot of the story accross and they could then do a single Season for the rest of ADWD/AFFC. We would have 5 seasons of 10 episodes for 5 books and would

This makes absolute sense from a writing and production perspective. I think that's what will happen. It also makes sens, because then they can give more character focus to Rob's storyline. I think they may even stretch Renly's storyline -- and Stannis'.

[DaveSumm]

I still think that they will end Bran;s storyline in S2 with Theon taking Winterfell and all the Reek/Reed stuff will come in S3. Osha is a bad replacement for the Reeds, since she is highly skeptical in Brans abilities(in Season one: discounting his green dreams), whereas the Reeds encourage him to use them. I can't see them killing off Rickon, since if they plannend that it would have been easier for GRRM to leave him out of the DWD.

In pushing the burning of Winterfell to S3, they circumvent the problem of some actors not appearing for a year. Since it is rumored that they will film both S3 parts back to back and we have app. 20 Episodes for Book three it is likely that they will push parts of AFFC and ADWD in the latter part of S3. Theon and Reek will then appear in S3 and at the end of S4, problem solved. It also saves a lot of budget since you save up some actors for the next season and save the big scene of the siege and burning of Winterfell as well.

Just think about it. Cutting that stuff from Season 2 frees up enough time to get the rest of the story out without to much condensing. We all screamed for more that 10 episodes, by shortening the story, 10 episodes would be fine.

On the other hand, 20 episodes for Book 3 alone would be too much. By inegrating the REEds/Reek and Tully into it as well as a bit of the ADWD/AFFC story we might get a lot of the story accross and they could then do a single Season for the rest of ADWD/AFFC. We would have 5 seasons of 10 episodes for 5 books and would

This all sounds pretty likely, my problem is that this basically means Bran has three seasons to get from Winterfell to his eventual destination north of the wall. This isn't NEARLY enough material for that space of time, so either a) Bran simply won't be a major part of the series or B) they'll invent a load of stuff for him to do. I don't really like either of those options.

[Padraig]

I still think that they will end Bran;s storyline in S2 with Theon taking Winterfell

I hugely doubt that. That would undermine Cat and Robb's storylines. And it wouldn't give Theon that much to do in S2 (meet father, meet sister and go to Winterfell). In aCoK the Reeds arrive before Theon so stopping at Theon's arrival doesn't help the Reeds storyline. Reek is already captured by the time Theon arrives also, so he either appears in S2 or they change that plot.

IMO its pretty obvious that they will show Bran's escape and Theon's reaction. The only real question is whether they will go as far as showing Theon's last chapter.

I remember GRRM says he was impressed by the performance the actress who plays Osha brought to the screen in Season 1. And that he could imagine writing more for the character in the upcoming storyline than he originally intended.

Ok? That's nothing to do with GRRM wanting Osha to effectively replace the Reeds. (Osha may partly replace the Reeds but it wouldn't be GRRM's decision).

[Chris77]

I think Theon has enough to do in S2, certainly a lot more than in S1. My guess is that he is at Robb's side the first few (at least two) episodes, while they plot his mission to the isles. Then you have him travelling for at least another episode (captains daughter sexposition). After that he arrives at Pyke, meets the drowned priest and Asha/Yara and travels to the castle. Next episode he meets his father and Balons ambitions are revealed. We are halfway through the season now. Next episode we hear at Winterfell that the coast is being raided and the following episode we see him and his reavers at work and plotting his assault of Winterfell. My guess is that the next episodes Bran is troubled by visions of people drowning and the sea swallowing Winterfell, while the Blackwater takes center stage. The last episode will deal with the aftermath of the Blackwater and will have Theon taking Winterfell as the Season cliffhanger.

Concerning Reek, I think his name will drop a few times. You can have Roose talking about him (maybe to Arya) and we can have Rodrick reporting the fate of lady Hornwood and the capture od Reek: "who is now in the dungeons". Maybe one of the last scenes of the seasons is Theon assembling the townfolk of Winterfell and the prsoners in the yard. We can have a shot from behind at Reek with the others cringing away from him because of his... well... reek. They have done something similar with Jaquen in S1.

Bran's storyline for the next Seasons would be:

S3(first part of SOW) Escaping Winterfell, meeting the Reeds

S4 (second part of SOW)Getting to the wall (ending with coldhands)

S5 (AFFC/ADWD) wanderingbeyond the wall, meeting Bloodraven

basically the same storyline as in th books

Robb storyline:

S2: campaigning against Tywin meeting Jeyne

S3: meeting up with the Tullys and going to his uncles wedding...ouch

Cat:

S2:Parlaying with Renly and Stannis, meeting Brienne, freeing Jaime

S3:Consoling Hoster, going to the Wedding

S4: presumably dead

S5: meet Lady Stoneheart

[Arrogant Bastard]

I think Theon has enough to do in S2, certainly a lot more than in S1. My guess is that he is at Robb's side the first few (at least two) episodes, while they plot his mission to the isles. Then you have him travelling for at least another episode (captains daughter sexposition). After that he arrives at Pyke, meets the drowned priest and Asha/Yara and travels to the castle. Next episode he meets his father and Balons ambitions are revealed. We are halfway through the season now. Next episode we hear at Winterfell that the coast is being raided and the following episode we see him and his reavers at work and plotting his assault of Winterfell. My guess is that the next episodes Bran is troubled by visions of people drowning and the sea swallowing Winterfell, while the Blackwater takes center stage. The last episode will deal with the aftermath of the Blackwater and will have Theon taking Winterfell as the Season cliffhanger.

Concerning Reek, I think his name will drop a few times. You can have Roose talking about him (maybe to Arya) and we can have Rodrick reporting the fate of lady Hornwood and the capture od Reek: "who is now in the dungeons". Maybe one of the last scenes of the seasons is Theon assembling the townfolk of Winterfell and the prsoners in the yard. We can have a shot from behind at Reek with the others cringing away from him because of his... well... reek. They have done something similar with Jaquen in S1.

Interesting prediction, but I don't think it will work that way. That could be a good way of keeping Theon around for season 3 and keeping his and Bran's story shorter in order to focus on other characters, but it doesn't work with the timeline. Catelyn frees Jaime because she hears about the "deaths" of Bran and Rickon; that won't work in season 2 if Theon takes over Winterfell in the finale. I suppose she could free him for some other reason, but it wouldn't feel right and I think they'll do Theon's whole ACOK arc in season 2.

[Padraig]

it doesn't work with the timeline. Catelyn frees Jaime because she hears about the "deaths" of Bran and Rickon; that won't work in season 2 if Theon takes over Winterfell in the finale.

And similarly Robb's storyline. He looks for support when he hears of the deaths.

I think Theon/Bran and Tyrion/Stannis storys are the 2 best in aCoK. I can't see them dropping half the former (and most of the best part). It doesn't help us see the Reeds, as they would still have to be introduced in a different way in S3 than in aCoK. (The Reeds may be introduced in S3 but it would be after Bran leaves Winterfell).

I can't see Reek been mentioned and not shown. Why would Balon be talking about his son's servant? Now Ramsay might be mentioned. I doubt they will mention Ramsay's attack on the Hornwoods though if they don't show Reek. Too confusing to mention something that doesn't seem to go anywhere in S2. Easier just to introduce Ramsay in S3 without that backstory.

Jaqen was "shown" as a wink to the fans. They didn't talk about him.

[The_Salt_Wife]

Well, we know that Theon will take Winterfell this season. The only question is whether Theon's last chapter will also be shown in S2.

We don't know enough about where GRRM is going with the Reeds, now that they are north of the Wall, to be sure of their longer term importance. But they (or a Reed substitute) can be introduced in some way in a later season if necessary.

The last day of shooting in Dublin featured the characters of Hodor, Bran, Osha and Rickon. Assuming that they are shooting the Winterfell scenes sort of chronologically (and if Winterfell is destroyed at the end of the season that would make sense) then that means that they will indeed either only meet the Reeds after they leave Winterfell, or the characters will be missing altogether from the TV series. But I can't see how you can do away with them completely without severally compromising the Bran storyline...

[DaveSumm]

I guess they could simply never split Bran and Rickon up, so you'd have a Bran/Rickon/Hodor/Osha foursome trekking north instead of a Bran/Hodor/Meera/Jojen one. Then, ultimately, whatever Rickon's role transpires to be, Davos just has to go somewhere else to get him. Not that much of a loss really.

[King Bread]

Some interesting ideas here for Theon's arc, although like Arrogant Bastard said, the fake deaths of Bran/Rickon can't be avoided, too much of a trigger event to the overall plot. Didn't even one of the child actors somewhere said/wrote that Bran and Rickon would have to "die" or something like that? Just a vague memory though.

I think they will do Theon's arc completely, what else of main events is left for the last episode anyway? Blackwater is already in Ep 9. Maybe they can end Theon's arc after the fake killing and Theon hearing that a Northern host is coming for him and then a short glimpse at Bran/Rickon in the crypts, but that wouldn't be so great as the alternative.

As for the Reeds themselves, well without them some stuff for Bran's pre-Theon story would miss, but it wouldn't be such a drama. They can be moved back to Season 3, that can work. For me it's just a matter if it will be both Reeds or one. Don't think Osha can replace them. Rickon seems too important considering his role in book 5 and probably 6 and she doesn't seem to be someone who could connect to his warg/greenseer abilities.

Reek seems more difficult. Firstly, Rodrick is with Robb, not in the North. They can mention Reek as Bolton bastard sometimes and show some hardly recognizable extra just to put him in for a moment. The problem is just that at least with the fake killings Reek starts to interact with Theon. Theon would never have killed the miller boys by himself. It's mostly Reek missing yet, that I am not so sure they will do the whole arc, if someone else would burn Winterfell it would change way too much. It's hard for me to see where you can end Theon's ACOK story without going too far, where Reek is needed.

[Padraig]

The last day of shooting in Dublin Belfast featured the characters of Hodor, Bran, Osha and Rickon.

Good point. The main benefit in having the Reeds in GoT eventually is that they give Bran a reason to go North of the Wall. Osha shouldn't want to go back there at all. Now they might think up another reason why Bran would go North but I'm at a loss when I try to imagine it. If they somehow manage it then they can cope without the Reeds.

I think they will do Theon's arc completely, what else of main events is left for the last episode anyway?

Thats a good point too. In that last episode we'll presumably have Jon's big moment in S2 but this would be another big event to finish on. Arya will have an interesting last episode and there should be something on the Jaime front too but they wouldn't compare to the fall of Winterfell.

Firstly, Rodrick is with Robb, not in the North.

I've always assumed that Rodrick will be sent North at the beginning of S2? Similarly, Theon will be sent to the Iron Isles.

People have suggested that one of the Ironborn will suggest killing the miller boys (which i'd be fine with). And they have also suggested that Roose will end up at Winterfell (now this is something that I hope they don't do since it complicates other plots but it is a possibility).

They can mention Reek as Bolton bastard sometimes and show some hardly recognizable extra just to put him in for a moment.

I don't know how that can work. Effectively it means that Bolton is cast since he will have to talk in that position. Otherwise we'll never learn that Reek is Ramsay!

[the wolf warg]

i was thinking about how bran would get to the wall if they didnt have the reeds and its possible that maester luwin will not die in the series and he and osha could escort the two starks wherever it is there going, theres all kinds of minor changes but i want to see the reeds for sure hbo....meera is a bad ass chick and probally brans future lady

[reedmindstarkheart]

I think we need Meera more than Jojen, and an actress playing her part could easily take over Jojen's important parts. Ideally, we'd have both of them, though, since they represent such different personalities and worldviews while still striving towards the same goal. It seems that the Reeds really work well together and I'm not going to lie-- I would be really, really, disappointed to see both of them discarded for Osha.

And, just putting this out there... I will play Meera for freeeeeeeeee. Someone tell GRRM.

[the wolf warg]

perfect and ill play jojen for free also, problem solved

but seriously if hbo cuts the reeds out it would be a major fail because i personally believe mera is going to be hugely important to brans story for the final two books even more so than she is now

[reedmindstarkheart]

Made this like months ago: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-meera-reed/

[AryaDayne]

I think with the new trailer it becomes even more clear, that the Reeds won't be around in the show..

I cross my fingers for at least one of them "Jora" or "Meejen"?

We all desperately hold fast too the Reeds for not losing the hope on ToJ prestory from them..

[FanTasy]

I think with the new trailer it becomes even more clear, that the Reeds won't be around in the show..

I cross my fingers for at least one of them "Jora" or "Meejen"?

We all desperately hold fast too the Reeds for not losing the hope on ToJ prestory from them..

Yes Apple Martini. I fear it as a is confirmation of an expectation. :stillsick: Let's hope the show will find a need for Jojen and/or Meera in the seasons to come, but I got a hunch they will stay with Osha.