Rinso Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Yeah, but the same president came to power when his grand-grand-grand(bla-bla)father killed or defeated every other president around. What goes around comes around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlespider Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Quick Q: when Sansa is whisked out of KL by Dontos et al., they meet the rower, "Oswell" -- a tall, older, gangly guy with white hair and a big hooked nose. Sansa says there's something oddly familiar about his face. I'm flakin'. Do we ever figure out who this guy is? (It's probably readily obvious and/or plainly laid out and I'm just having a seriously flaky day.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesstadreamer Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I guess this goes here. When Bran weeps, *does* a weirwood weep as well? Then, has anyone looked at when someone notices a weirwood tree and how they react to it/it to them? Then At the end of Bran's chapter in DWD he sees a woman go to a pool and birth a baby and ask the old gods for vengeance. Who is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfish Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Quick Q: when Sansa is whisked out of KL by Dontos et al., they meet the rower, "Oswell" -- a tall, older, gangly guy with white hair and a big hooked nose. Sansa says there's something oddly familiar about his face. I'm flakin'. Do we ever figure out who this guy is? (It's probably readily obvious and/or plainly laid out and I'm just having a seriously flaky day.) Yeah, he's the Kettleblacks' father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinso Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Yeah, he and his sons were working for Littlefinger the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlespider Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Thanks! I just finished that chapter and now feel dumb for not just being patient and waiting to find out. Gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillio Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 this thread should have a oooh button, as well was a like button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Edric Dayne is Lord of Starfall IIRC MarieI'm pretty sure that Starfall was mentioned in GoT. Didn't they say that Ned took Dawn back to Starfall, and there's another hint that Jon was there at some point. Ashara Dayne was mentioned a few times as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 It's in GOT, just before Tyrion returns to Winterfell with Yoren. The key point is that when all hope seems lost, the hero finds the Children of the Forest, who aid him in defeating the White Walkers. My question - what did Joffery do to Tommen.? In AFFC, Tommen tells Jaime that he used to do something when Joffery... and then he trails off. Is there any other evidence about this? Does anyone else have the exact quote? No need to be explicit is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Um... None in particular, I believe. Maybe he meant simply injustice, cruelty and dishonor in general? The only children we know of that Aerys directly killed (or ordered to kill, which is the same) are the Darklyn kids after the Defiance of Duskendale. We know that at least one of them liked to torment him while he was a captive. A far-fetched idea would be a reference to Lyanna, but I don't think she was considered a child by the time she died. The same children as at the Water Gardens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 was the alchemist in the prologue of a feast for crows jaqen hagar? i just finished the prologue, and i don't remember much of what follows. so i could be asking a question that gets answered simply later in the book. I am hoping this thread giets picked up when we rejoin Sam. GOD BLESS YOU the alchemist is the guy I also think is the New Improved Jaqen H'ghar xxxxx ooooo been driving me nuts! I went to find the New Jaqen description and then forgot where I came from. Pate bit the coin just like Arya's victim and therefore this happened AFTER Sam arrived at the Citadel TY TY TY TY! Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Yeah I remember something like that too. I'm doing a series reread and I'm about 75% ASoS. Reading this time around i've noticed that he seems to make the claim about Cat quite a few times. He even says it to Sansa when they are on the boat escaping KL. Since littlefinger seems as if every thing he does is part of some bigger plan it just got me wondering what the significance of this claim may be. But I could be reading too much into it...? I marked all the times Littlefinger lies while I was rereading. Maybe he is just a big fat liar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfish Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Pate bit the coin just like Arya's victim and therefore this happened AFTER Sam arrived at the Citadel Whah? Pate was killed before Sam arrived at the Citadel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Darkstar is a Dayne of High Hermitage, which is a branch of House Dayne, but not the Daynes of Starfall. According to the Wiki. Starfall was the home of Ashara Dayne and Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, who have both been mentioned many times. I have a statement that says Darkstart is also of Starfall. In AFFC paperback p432 "...I give you Ser Gerold Dayne a Knight of Starfall". However the appendix says he is a knight of High Hermitage. Perhaps one is part of the other. Gerold is a cousin of Edric. Arthur is Edric's uncle. Ashara is Edric's aunt (Arthur's sister) Lord Beric was promised to Edric Dayne's aunt, Ashara Dayne. As far as I can tell, Barristan was in love with Ashara but she was seduced at the Harrenhal tourney in the year of the false spring and had a stillborn child by Ned. The lady who rescued Ned STARK was a fisherman's daughter named Wylla - perhaps she was his feigned mother and the stillbirth was a fake as well. Saying she was a fisherman's daughter in one part of the book and a servant of the Daynes since before Edric and Jon were born needs a little checking if I can find the passages. Seems contradictory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 The constant coughing, the fact that it's been a feature for a long time and the coughing up blood suggest TB to me. Having said that tuberculosis is reasonably infectious and no-one else seems to have it so it may be a partially fictionalised variant or some sort of Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. Cancer or tuberculosis or other chronic infection. COPD is pretty nonproductive unless there is pneumonia and it is almost exclusively a smokers disease. TB isnt THAT infectious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenhair Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I have a statement that says Darkstart is also of Starfall. In AFFC paperback p432 "...I give you Ser Gerold Dayne a Knight of Starfall". However the appendix says he is a knight of High Hermitage. Perhaps one is part of the other. Gerold is a cousin of Edric. Arthur is Edric's uncle. Ashara is Edric's aunt (Arthur's sister) Lord Beric was promised to Edric Dayne's aunt, Ashara Dayne. As far as I can tell, Barristan was in love with Ashara but she was seduced at the Harrenhal tourney in the year of the false spring and had a stillborn child by Ned. The lady who rescued Ned STARK was a fisherman's daughter named Wylla - perhaps she was his feigned mother and the stillbirth was a fake as well. Saying she was a fisherman's daughter in one part of the book and a servant of the Daynes since before Edric and Jon were born needs a little checking if I can find the passages. Seems contradictory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenhair Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I have a statement that says Darkstart is also of Starfall. In AFFC paperback p432 "...I give you Ser Gerold Dayne a Knight of Starfall". However the appendix says he is a knight of High Hermitage. Perhaps one is part of the other. Gerold is a cousin of Edric. Arthur is Edric's uncle. Ashara is Edric's aunt (Arthur's sister) Lord Beric was promised to Edric Dayne's aunt, Ashara Dayne. As far as I can tell, Barristan was in love with Ashara but she was seduced at the Harrenhal tourney in the year of the false spring and had a stillborn child by Ned. The lady who rescued Ned STARK was a fisherman's daughter named Wylla - perhaps she was his feigned mother and the stillbirth was a fake as well. Saying she was a fisherman's daughter in one part of the book and a servant of the Daynes since before Edric and Jon were born needs a little checking if I can find the passages. Seems contradictory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenhair Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Having difficulty replying about the info concerning Beric Dondarrion. Wasn't he promised to the other Dayne sister, Allyria, and not Ashara? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I am sure this has been addressed as it comes from one of the rich veins of cookies in the book - the visions of the dwarf woman at High Heart. A man with no face was associated with a man on a swinging bridge. This suggets a faceless man was used to kill Balon Greyjoy. This solves the question of Euron's exquisite and revelatory timing in arrival. Again with the Faceless men, I expressed doubt that they were from the House of the god of many faces - but am contradicted by the Kindly Man. However: There must be more to them than answering prayers, or the prayers are made of gold sometimes. IIRC it takes a lot of $$ to buy a Faceless man of Braavos. Also maybe dont just answer prayers for death. The Alchemist wanted the key to the Citadel. MAybe to kill someone eventually however, must be said. Sam needs to watch himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfish Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Having difficulty replying about the info concerning Beric Dondarrion. Wasn't he promised to the other Dayne sister, Allyria, and not Ashara? Yes, I'm pretty sure that Beric was betrothed to Allyria. He definitely wasn't betrothed to Ashara, since she'd been dead for fourteen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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